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Old 01-31-2019, 05:35 PM
 
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More accurately, Nazism was not communism. Almost all governments are "socialist" at some level, the very fact that you have any government at all requires some level of social cooperation and pooling of resources.

This whole confusion about socialism and Nazism came from Mussolini. Mussolini preceded Hitler by a decade or two - and in Mussolini's early days he was a wannabe communist. Then he defected from the communists and started the Fascist movement which eventually led to his dictatorship. Hitler copied Mussolini's fascists tactics.

 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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Actually what the Nazis, the Communists and all leftists, including our Democrats have in common is that they all believe that the state or the communal or the group is more important than the individual. So, yes, the Nazis and the socialists of AOC have a lot more in common than you think. They all believe that we should give up our individuality for the sake of the greater good.

Standing on the vanguard is the Republican party, protecting individual rights from you collective hoards. We will never allow you people to destroy the promise of America.
100% correct.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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Socialism still sucks
Does it suck more than Stormy Daniels?
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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To be accurate, the Nazi party's roots were socialism. It started out as a pro-worker party to try to offer an alternative to communism which was being exported by the USSR after WW I and was gaining a foothold in Germany. It is the pro-worker aspect of Nazism that put "socialism" into the formal name (National Socialist German Worker's Party). But when Hitler got control of it, he pivoted to racism, antisemitism and nationalism and away from socialism. He eventually kowtowed to industrialists and suppressed workers' rights in order to win the support of the wealthy. In the end it was just old fashioned fascism. Basically, Hitler got into power and turned on his base who got him there. In more ways than one - he also ruthlessly wiped out the old brown shirt paramilitary wing of the Nazi party as he saw it as threat to himself.
Good point on the fascism aspect. Fascism is statist collective socialism. That's left-wing. How do we know? Mussolini coined the term and the concept of fascism/fascist, so let's look at the historical evidence...

"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual." -Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile, The Doctrine of Fascism, 1923

"For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends." - Alfredo Rocco, Mussolini's Minister of Justice, speaking at Perugia, August 30, 1925

The original use of the term, "Fascism," was in 1915 by members of the Fasci of Revolutionary Action, Mussolini's movement, who were socialists.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:47 PM
 
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Democrats hate the jews, Nazis hate Jews... do you see the resemblance yet?
The majority of American Jews are Dems and/or vote Dem--what are you talking about?

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.pre...inds-1.6569599

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Old 01-31-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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In this case socialist means to set aside personal interest for the good of the country. It was not international socialism as an economic system. They were fascists.

It's common knowledge to anyone who studied history the German fascists hated the true socialists such as that found in the USSR. Unlike the socialists, the Nazi fully supported private business and private property.
The Nazis did not support private property. They confiscated Jews' wealth, assets, and guns.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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The Nazis did not support private property. They confiscated Jews' wealth, assets, and guns.
Which is exactly what right-wing fascists would do, but you know that.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:51 PM
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The Nazis did not support private property. They confiscated Jews' wealth, assets, and guns.

Do you not even see the irrelevance of this?

OF COURSE they were gonna oppress Jews! Deny them of their rights! That's what Nazis with power to do so do!


But what about the "Aryans" of Germany? Did they confiscate THEIR property? If not, then you don't have a case.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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Which is exactly what right-wing fascists would do.
There has been no right-wing government that has confiscated Jews wealth, assets, and guns. In the US, the right-wing supports everyone keeping their private property and guns. It's the left-wing that wants to take them away.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 05:53 PM
 
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There has been no right-wing government that has confiscated Jews wealth, assets, and guns. In the US, the right-wing supports everyone keeping their private property and guns. It's the left-wing that wants to take them away.
The Nazis did exactly as you’ve stated. Try again, with less feigned ignorance.

Also, how kind of you to alter my post when responding, a direct TOS violation.
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