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Old 02-01-2019, 05:51 AM
 
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While they are boasting and bragging about finding and stopping 200lbs of Fentanyl....right behind them, a fully loaded tractor trailer drives right on thru un-noticed!
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Statistics would indicate that a large majority of CONFISCATED drugs come through ports of entry.

Who would confiscate drugs in the middle of nowhere, away from a port of entry?

Would drug smugglers be certain to only cross the border at legal posts of entry? Really?

The El Chapo trial offers quite a bit of insight into smuggling. How do they transport 234 pounds of Fentanyl in the middle of no where, if its so easy then why did this come through a port of entry.


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Some of the drugs were hidden in passenger cars, concealed in trucks in cans of jalapeños or stashed in tanker trains with ordinary loads of cooking oil. Others were sent beneath the border in sophisticated tunnels.
The 10 weeks of testimony at the trial of Joaquín Guzmán Loera, the drug lord known as El Chapo, have revealed that his innovative smuggling network typically went through legal checkpoints — not isolated stretches of the border where a wall might be an obstacle.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/n...rder-wall.html
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:34 AM
 
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Too bad he didn't make it to a sanctuary city, all that fentanyl would do wonders in a city like San Francisco.
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:35 AM
 
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The El Chapo trial offers quite a bit of insight into smuggling. How do they transport 234 pounds of Fentanyl in the middle of no where, if its so easy then why did this come through a port of entry.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/n...rder-wall.html
Collusion is how majority of these drugs are getting in so consistently.


Its pretty pathetic imo, the border patrol and LE is bragging about finding 234 lbs of Fentanyl, at a time when numerous cities and states have major opioid/heroin epidemics going on..Gee, thats great guys, you got one small shipment...(which was probably sent out to be discovered in the first place, to distract from a larger shipment) LOL
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:40 AM
 
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Believe it or not drones don't fly through walls.

Isn't that what the technology the Dems want is for ? Or is that pie in the sky ?
They are for everything on tech. saying that's the answer to everything.
The smart wall that works they say. But now you seem to be saying they are BS everyone.
I'm a licensed unmanned aircraft operator.

Drones can easily fly a couple thousand feet high.

Let me give you one hint. One of the largest airports in the world recently thought they (or actually did) have a problem with drones flyings nearby. Despite an unlimited budget and thousands of flights held up they never found the source.

Yet, your 2,000 miles of wall will? That's fantastic.

Glad to teach you something, though. It's important to know stuff.

A "smart barrier" is like my Blink camera - it can sense whether someone is near it and sound the alarm. The range would never be very long - perhaps it would sense people headed over with ladders and helicopters (we forgot about those - cheap these days) flying low over. You could even (for a lot of money!) have sensors in the ground to detect tunneling....BUT, only down to a certain level without very high expenditures.

In other words, to accomplish 1/2 of what you envision (which would do zero good), it would take 100's of billions - not 3 or 5.
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Old 02-01-2019, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Build the wall anyway.
But the system is working there is no need too, and the person who was busted was a Mexican national.

Why do does the right always use fear to get thier point across? You all act like the wall will solve all the problems.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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You waste it on dope. But all Trump has to do is use aid money to Mexico and tax the crap out of money wired to Mexico and presto, Mexico pays for the wall.
So why hasn't he been doing that for the last 2 years?
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Collusion is how majority of these drugs are getting in so consistently.


Its pretty pathetic imo, the border patrol and LE is bragging about finding 234 lbs of Fentanyl, at a time when numerous cities and states have major opioid/heroin epidemics going on..Gee, thats great guys, you got one small shipment...(which was probably sent out to be discovered in the first place, to distract from a larger shipment) LOL
It was a massive shipment, relative to it’s potency.

A lethal dose = 250 micrograms.

Only thing that will have a favorable impact on the epidemic is declining demand on the part of the end consumer, which is a personal choice, sort of.

I am an on again/ off again long time volunteer in a hospital detox/ treatment system. Most patients are addicted to opiates/ opioids.

Heroin is typically cut with other cheaper substances at many points in the supply chain to increase profits and / or potency. The cut could be baking soda or other benign substances or a derivative of Cocaine and/ or Fentanyl.

These cuts are not being made in controlled laboratories by skilled chemists. Not much sense to intentionally kill off repeat consumers.

Personal tolerance evolves over time. What might kill one user may not make much of a dent with a more seasoned user with a high tolerance.

The US heroin market is geographically segmented. Health risks, certainly not limited to OD, reflect the user’s physical location. Very generally speaking, Colombian- sourced powder dominates the market east of the Mississippi while to the west, Mexican sourced black tar is the most available. Powder vs tar debates are common amongst users.

The greatest number of ODs are occurring east of the Mississippi where powder is the most commonly available form of heroin and being cut with more powerful and cheaper substances.

The typical heroin addict is a white male in his early 20’s with a history of poly substance abuse, especially recreational use of prescription grade opioids. I recall a patient who shared he got his start in opioids by fishing his father’s used Fentanyl patches out of the garbage and eating them.

I can’t wrap my head around this.

I have yet to meet anyone who intended to become addicted. Heck, no shortage of people wearing adult diapers in detox, insist they can control it. Detox reduces tolerance. Those most recently discharged from rebab are often at the greatest risk of OD when they relapse and sooner or later most do.

While a Morphine Maintenance Program or Suboxone can be used for long term medical treatment, it does not provide the buzz so many continue to seek. Alcohol, marijuana and other drugs may fill the gap. Most roads eventually lead to the drug of choice, opioid/ opiates.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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While they are boasting and bragging about finding and stopping 200lbs of Fentanyl....right behind them, a fully loaded tractor trailer drives right on thru un-noticed!
Statistically, this, of course, has to true.

The smugglers wouldn’t bother to load up these vehicles in the first place if it wasn’t worth the risk.
They know that one or two may get stopped but that won’t deter them from sending more.

And no, they aren’t going to start using unmanned entry points where there are no roads just because this truck was stopped.
Only an idiot would risk a breakdown in the desert.
Oh sure, maybe they’ll force a few desperate human mules to walk over, but do they really care about losing that stuff if the people die?

Just a drop in the bucket.

I can just imagine the smugglers laughing about the stupid Americans worrying about people sneaking in at those unmanned entry points while they smuggle tons in under our noses at legal crossings.

Classic sleight of hand, and the gullible fall for it time and time again.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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But the system is working there is no need too, and the person who was busted was a Mexican national.

Why do does the right always use fear to get thier point across? You all act like the wall will solve all the problems.
The driver is Mexican. It is not known, or perhaps disclosed, if he had any knowledge of the contraband. Thinking it likely, the driver does not know who owns the truck or much else. When you don’t know/ you can’t snitch.

This is prime harvesting season south of the border into Central and South America. Thousands of trucks with fruits and vegetables enter the US, daily.

Nearly every fresh produce sold at the retail level in the US,at this time of year, is sourced from south of the border.

Guess the US could ban imported fresh fruits and vegetables.
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