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Old 01-31-2019, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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This whole issue is insane. Drugs, slaves, various illegals including terrorists pouring across the border, causing problems everywhere and people dont want to give the experts what they say they need to cut deeply into all this lawless activity.

Its like common folks telling the military what weapons they need and how to win their battles
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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That’s a lot of fentanyl I wonder where it came from.
China.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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This whole issue is insane. Drugs, slaves, various illegals including terrorists pouring across the border, causing problems everywhere and people dont want to give the experts what they say they need to cut deeply into all this lawless activity.

Its like common folks telling the military what weapons they need and how to win their battles
"Give the experts what they say they need"? You MUST be joking.

Asking law enforcement if they need more money is like asking a dog if it is hungry!

Money and corruption is what is driving EVERYTHING in this War, not a lack of funds to law enforcement.

We are fighting this in exactly the wrong way, as other governments in other parts of the world have proven. But we're too stuck up and closed-minded to believe a better solution could actually come from a foreign country.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Federal Way, WA
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If they are coming across a checkpoint with security involved what is making it across points where there is little or no security?
395 pounds of dope isn't coming by foot. Cartels don't smuggle small amounts. Small time dealers smuggle small amounts, that could be getting across away from checkpoints. Checkpoints are where most of it comes in because it can be moved in large quantities. The DEA says most of it comes through checkpoints. If the DEA is lying, why give them more money to fight the problem? You can believe the experts who spend all of their time fighting the flow of drugs in, or you can believe the unsupported opinions of right wing talk show hosts whose other opinions require them to disagree with the DEA to keep from undercutting their thin arguments about how badly we need a wall.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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people dont want to give the experts what they say they need to cut deeply into all this lawless activity.

Its like common folks telling the military what weapons they need and how to win their battles
Our Military has lost - in whatever sense - every major conflict since WWII. Not a good example.

Do you really think "experts" want to solve our problems? Why?

Laws are a social construct. Most other social constructs have been thrown out the window (just listen to Hate Radio and check)....so why should we care about anything???

One thing you may find that a plurality of Americans agree on...is that American isn't working. They will differ on WHY, but they will agree that it doesn't work.

When a complex nation and society falls apart it certainly isn't going to be improved by sending "experts" and billions of dollars to attack the problem.

IMHO, the single biggest problem we have in the USA is lack of education. It is at the root of all the other problems that then cause more problems and then are the market for "lawless" activity.

Also, Freakonomics (real economics) tells us that more money can be stolen in a chaotic and dysfunctional system.

Putting it another way - no one wants to solve these problem (except in political forums, etc.).
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:26 PM
 
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Completely agree, but that's a much more complex issue. As long as there's a demand for drugs and money to be made supplying them, this will continue.

Does anyone think the war on drugs has been a success?
Yep. There will ALWAYS be drug users and drug dealers. It aint goin nowhere.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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A wall won't prevent what existing border security is catching. Let's spend the money on enhancing elements of border security that are actually getting things done



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...m_npd_nn_tw_ma
Unless my math is off, 254 pounds of a Fentanyl analog is enough to wipe out the entire global population, many times over.

That it was confiscated in cukes at the legal border crossing does not identify the source, which could be China or just about anywhere else in the world.

Wonder if the driver had a clue he was transporting more than cucumbers.

Seems a tad foolish to attempt to move a load of product like this, through the border, given the dogs. Wonder if it was a decoy , intended to be discovered to divert attention from better packaged, smaller shipments.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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China.
Uh, try maybe a couple blocks down....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ucer-1.3868579

"A B.C. drug producer known as Beeker says underground chemists are steps ahead of the police when it comes to the movement of illicit drugs on the streets.
Beeker is the subject of a new documentary, Unstoppable: The Fentanyl Epidemic, in which he opens up about the big business behind the drug."
(Beeker is white male that you'd see at the coffee shop and think "a nerd")

Surely you know that 100's of thousands of people worldwide are trained in Chemistry? You underestimate our species. LE and government could cut off ALL supplies and precursors and the chemists would only see that as a challenge. These folks can make opioids out of old shot leather if it came to it (yes, that's a joke...but close)....

The true answer to the question is like where your tomatoes come from "whoever and where ever it can be supplied from at the price and quantity requested".

Some stuff is hard. But in this day and age, chemistry and information isn't.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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395 pounds of dope isn't coming by foot. Cartels don't smuggle small amounts. Small time dealers smuggle small amounts, that could be getting across away from checkpoints. Checkpoints are where most of it comes in because it can be moved in large quantities. The DEA says most of it comes through checkpoints. If the DEA is lying, why give them more money to fight the problem? You can believe the experts who spend all of their time fighting the flow of drugs in, or you can believe the unsupported opinions of right wing talk show hosts whose other opinions require them to disagree with the DEA to keep from undercutting their thin arguments about how badly we need a wall.
As it relates to Fentanyl a lethal dose = 250 micro grams. 1 million micrograms = a gram.

Fentanyl is substantially cheaper to produce and transport than Heroin.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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You pay for abortion... I'll pay for the wall. How about that?
Abortion cheapier. Besides we are trillions in the hole during the next decade thanks to the trump tax cuts that aren't paying for themselves
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