Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
There are a number of posters here who constantly complain about how the US has become too Marxist, etc. etc. Given that the US's leftward path has been a long and gradual one which (arguably) began with the election of FDR in 1932, or maybe even Teddy Roosevelt in 1900, and which has continued in that direction in fits and starts ever since then, the conservative is eventually going to find themselves living in a place which is utterly anathema to their sense of everything that is good and right.
When the US has taken an occasional rightward deviation from this path, the American liberal has plenty of other countries they can claim they can go to if things got really bad: Canada, of course, being the foremost, but pretty much anywhere in Western Europe, and even New Zealand and Australia are typically considered just fine by American liberal standards.
But if the US got too liberal for American conservatives, where shall they go? What is the conservative's equivalent of Canada? Or New Zealand? Or the UK? Or Germany?
It just so happens that the following website has a nifty ranking of the most conservative nations in the world.
Sounds about right? I think that's a good description of what conservatives value.
Given those criteria, this website has devised the following list of countries which best satisfy those benchmarks. Here is the list:
Yemen
Mali
Iran
Pakistan
Chad
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Lebanon
Swaziland
Ethiopia
For those conservatives unwilling or too lazy to learn a new language, I believe English is widely spoken in Swaziland. And Pakistan, too. Not sure about the others.
So, we now have a list of countries conservatives can flee to if they feel the US is becoming too liberal.
Enjoy.
Conservative as defined by the Left above is not desirable. Conservative Americans have built and developed the USA into the greatest country in the history of the world.
Umm ... last time I looked, Berkeley California wasn't in Ethiopia or Chad.
The point is the violent people in our society are typical leftists or people that would vote Democrat if they bothered to vote. In other words, the uncivilized people are leftists.
And again, I think it is highly probable most immigrants from Chad, Ethiopa, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Yemen, etc would vote for your party, not the GOP. This completely contradicts your premise.
Most of the people who grew up under the Soviet Empire's thumb are big Republican voters when they come here because they know which party is oriented toward freedom and which is a Soviet Union wannabe.
The point is the violent people in our society are typical leftists or people that would vote Democrat if they bothered to vote. In other words, the uncivilized people are leftists.
In Berkeley, California, those leftists actually have the right and the capability of protesting at all!
That is NOT the case in many of the countries listed in post #1.
Thus, your attempt to label Berkeley as being similar to those countries, or vice-versa, failed miserably.
Berkeley is liberal because you CAN protest.
Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and who knows what other of those countries, are conservative because you CAN'T protest. That is, opposition to the status quo, and opposition to change, is so entrenched that protestors are punished severely.
If you insist on calling those other nations "liberal," you're going to have to call Berkeley "conservative," because Berkeley is the opposite of what you can do in those other countries.
Are you prepared to call Berkeley "conservative?" Somehow I doubt it.
Blacks and Hispanics make up 30% of the United States population. Almost none of the other white, Western countries have a nonwhite percentage that high. In fact, they have highly restrictive immigration policies and most of the nonwhite immigrants in those countries are highly educated, not lower-class.
It is much easier for a country to have socialist government programs when most of the population is white with a small percentage of nonwhites that are highly educated.
Canada has about 20% - AND, vastly more of them are immigrants from a distance.....that is, remember that many American "minorities" have been here longer that so-called "white people". Most African American heritage goes back further than most European immigrants...by Far!
The Great Immigrations from Europe to here were in the late 1800's and early 1900's.
I don't know what you are getting at. In a state like Alaska, where there are vast amounts of all different folks from all over the country - everyone gets a check from the oil revenues. Socialism. Would it matter whether the Alaskans were Eskimo, Native American, Black, Hispanic or Asian? They all get the checks.
This is another example of conservative mindset.
"Well, maybe Socialism is good.....but, if it is, it is ONLY good for certain white people who come from the exact same DNA strand" or something like that!
My take on why the model in Europe (in many things) is superior to ours is that they learned the lessons of history the hard way. We are still that violent rebelling teenager that is wrecking the car and not taking responsibility for ourselves.
They have been leveled, invaded, killed by the tens of millions, etc. and eventually most of them came to the conclusion that it's better to hang together and call it a day than to establish a predatory system which only gives "happiness" to those at the top. That's not "happiness of the people" or "general welfare". That's selfishness and greed, which conservatives have latched onto big time (Ayn Rand, the Hero of many in the GOP....her entire creed is how great selfishness is).
In Berkeley, California, those leftists actually have the right and the capability of protesting at all!
That is NOT the case in many of the countries listed in post #1.
Thus, your attempt to label Berkeley as being similar to those countries, or vice-versa, failed miserably.
Berkeley is liberal because you CAN protest.
Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and who knows what other of those countries, are conservative because you CAN'T protest. That is, opposition to the status quo, and opposition to change, is so entrenched that protestors are punished severely.
If you insist on calling those other nations "liberal," you're going to have to call Berkeley "conservative," because Berkeley is the opposite of what you can do in those other countries.
Are you prepared to call Berkeley "conservative?" Somehow I doubt it.
You can protest anywhere in this country. Berkeley does not have exclusive rights to protest. That you would try to associate protesting with liberalism is typical leftwing virtue signaling.
Protesting and acting violently to intimidate people are not the same thing. Liberals are not civilized and they are intolerant which is similar to people in backward countries.
The liberals at Berkeley want to shut other people down. That isn't freedom oriented.
Conservatives in this country do not oppose peaceful protests. We do not wear masks and bring bats and set fires when liberal speakers come to campus. What does it say about your beliefs if you have to hide behind a mask and pick up a bat and set fires.
Last edited by ClemVegas; 02-03-2019 at 09:27 PM..
In backwards bizzarro world it is not taught that the Free Speech Movement started and fruited in Berkeley at the same time firehoses were bring turned on long-term Americans with the wrong skin shade in "conservative" states.
My goodness....they try to take everything we've done and then, when all is lost, call it their own.
All the advances from the freeing of the slaves to decrim Pot to voting and civil rights...to not allowing old folks to wither away in poverty...to giving health care to children....I could go on and on.....
All liberal and progressive policies....and even most Republicans agreed with than a few decades back. Maybe because they have never accomplished anything they feel that destruction is their only "accomplishment". I think they'd rather the USA fall apart than credit the good things to anyone by their political party.
Saudi Arabia especially. Huge conservative paradise.
But the Christians have to practice their religion in secret.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
