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The over-representation of Jews in those areas is no less nefarious than other groups that excel in other areas. It's just the way it is.
Again, Jewish cultural has traditionally emphasized finance and education. Plus you add in the socio-political truism of Christians being banned from banking/usury and that further adds to their cultural advantage.
Do you know why the Jews were the only usurers?
What is a goyim? What is the Christian-equivalent of goyim?
No one bemoans Jews for being successful. They hate them because of how they got their wealth, and what they do with it.
"Auschwitz meant that six million Jews were killed, and thrown on the waste-heap of Europe, for what they were considered: money-Jews. Finance capital and the banks, the hard core of the system of imperialism and capitalism, had turned the hatred of men against money and exploitation, and against the Jews. . . . Antisemitism is really a hatred of capitalism." - Ulrike Meinhof
I can't help but feel that the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is completely unacceptable in light of the Jewish experience with the Holocaust. "We will never forget" has morphed into a big "forget about it" when it comes to the plight Israel has imposed on Palestine. I do not blame or condemn the average Israeli however since the US has done any number of things to other countries that I strongly oppose. Much as we would like to change things as individuals, it's not possible to change your country's policies all on your own.
If this makes me an "antisemite" [sic] then so be it.
What is a goyim? What is the Christian-equivalent of goyim?
Pretty sure I know but open to ideas...
Never heard of a Christian-equivalent of a goyim. Where are you going with this?
If you are going to bring up examples in history where Jews used the power of the State (with the PR selling point of 'innocently" promoting their religion or claiming prosecution...real or perceived) to achieve certain goals I'm not going to give too much weight to the argument. Not because it hasn't been done and done well by Jews but because every Tom, D-ick, and Harry has done it.
A statist is a statist is a statist. As they say in my old neighborhood "Don't hate the playa', hate the game".
Again, being born into a Jewish family or converting to the religion of Judaism doesn't automatically make you evil. It makes you a Jew...that's it...full stop.
Social and political events played out where Jews found themselves able to use their cultural pedigree to either do a great deal of good or a great deal of bad. This is where being an individual comes into play.
This explains the fact that Jews are over-represented in the evil world of world banking/government as well as the good world of anarchy/true capitalism/non-aggression. They have culturally had access to inner-workings of these worlds and therefore are quite comfortable in carrying out their agenda (good or bad).
I'm a ghetto minority hood rat according to the collective...as I've noted before. So on one hand we have the reality that I fit the criteria for your average rapist, murderer, robber, gang banger out on the street. The stats don't lie. So does that mean minorities in the ghetto are automatically "evil".
No, of course not. But the culture is clearly evil. That is where people start going insane because they can't separate the two just as Rachel couldn't do earlier in this thread. They automatically call you racist against minorities or hating the poor (I'm both...or was poor I should say...which is weird but whatever).
The culture is evil because raping, killing, robbing, and general mayhem are already violations of the non-aggression principle.
This is in stark contrast to Judaism's culture lynch pins, a promotion of education and financial well-being, which is benign at worst and in my lowly opinion...a positive. But if you want to do damage with that pedigree you surely can...and numerous Jewish individuals have done just that.
That's not to say you can't turn a negative cultural lynch pin into a positive. That's the beauty of the individual!!!!
My teen years/early adulthood were used to grow close to the criminal justice system (Masters in CJ, entire career in the field). This wasn't done to conform to statism (though I regret many things I did as a statist but that's another thread). It was to keep my enemy (the State) closer...so to speak. Combine that with my street knowledge and I've always felt I've done as much as I can to protect myself from the State and live as morally as I could. I'm my harshest critic so no need to tell me I've got a long way to go.
But if I'm a ghetto minority punk, no good, scum of the earth because I come from an evil culture how come I haven't used this pedigree to wreak havoc on society? It could easily be champagne, hookers, and blow all day long if I wanted to. Do you know how many millions of dollars I could steal with an exceptionally low chance of getting caught? What's stopping me?
"Let the Jews boast, that God has sanctified them through his Law, and chosen them before all people as his peculiar nation.
Such is also the glory of the Jews when they boast in their schools, praise and thank god that he has sanctified them through his law and made them his chosen nation, while they are well aware that they are keeping none of those things, are filled with pride, envy, usury, avarice and all meanness, and most of all those among them who act very pious and holy in their prayers.
For they are so blinded that they do not only practice usury (that I should be silent about their other vices), but teach it as a right which God had commanded them through Moses." - Martin Luther, 1543
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Never heard of a Christian-equivalent of a goyim. Where are you going with this?
(((This appears to be translated from another language and it is not edited very well, but it showed up in my newsfeed and sparked a lively discussion. I don't understand #3, though--anyone care to weigh in on the Rothschild thing? Thanks in advance.)))
1) If you think the words “Israel,†“Zionists,†and “Jews†are interchangeable, you may be antisemitic.
2) If you think that a Jewish conspiracy controls the media/international finance/politics/lobbies, you are antisemitic. There is no conspiracy, end of argument.
3) If you use the term “Rothschild†to involve “Jews,†you are an antisemite. And congratulations by the way for the exact use of the same phrases that the Nazis and those who incited tsarist pogroms.
4) If your only defense is “Jews are not a race, so I’m not racist†or “Jews are not the only Semites, so I’m not an antisemite,†then you’re probably an antisemite.
5) If you think/demand that the Jews should condemn Israel with every word, tweets, and comments, you are an antisemite (see point 1).
6) Supporting the legitimate Palestinian desire for self-determination to enforce human rights and having its own state, and condemning the policies of the Israeli government does not in itself make someone an antisemite (but see points 1-5).
7) If you talk about Palestine whenever we talk about crimes against Jews/Antisemitism/Holocaust, you’re most certainly an antisemite.
8) If you use violence instilled in Palestine by the Israeli government as an excuse to turn away from conversations about antisemitism and violence suffered by Jews, you are not just an antisemite, but you are instrumentalising Palestine and the Palestinian suffering, of which you really do not care.
9) If you think that any Jewish person, or even any Israeli Jew, is guilty of the crimes of the State of Israel and human rights violations, you are an antisemite and also very likely a hypocrite living in a country who has committed many crimes and human rights violations against colonised countries and you do not expect to be held responsible for the violence and oppression of your own country. Watch your consistency.
10) If you use word "Jew" as an adjective or a verb (like "Jew money" or "He Jewed me down twenty dollars."), you might be an antisemite.
I've never seen this. What I have seen are Jewish people who think/demand every American should defend Israel, otherwise they're called antisemitic.
No one bemoans Jews for being successful. They hate them because of how they got their wealth, and what they do with it.
"Auschwitz meant that six million Jews were killed, and thrown on the waste-heap of Europe, for what they were considered: money-Jews. Finance capital and the banks, the hard core of the system of imperialism and capitalism, had turned the hatred of men against money and exploitation, and against the Jews. . . . Antisemitism is really a hatred of capitalism." - Ulrike Meinhof
This is because people associate State finance and State law as natural finance and natural law.
This is why I say you get a lot of bad and good Jews out of the paradigm.
The bad Jews use their pedigree to promote State finance (socialism) and State law (statism). The good Jews use their pedigree to promote natural finance (capitalism) and natural law (anarchy).
That's the tragedy of your quote. The Jews who were slaughtered were overwhelmingly innocent or had no real power. They weren't actively promoting the State in finance and law. The Jews who should have been put into ovens were the Rothschilds and their ilk. Like the ones involved in the Haavara Agreement.
Down thread folks were talking about debating things on the Holocaust. One thing people don't know is how many bad Jews aided Hitler through nefarious activity (Haavara Agreement, Association of German National Jews).
"Let the Jews boast, that God has sanctified them through his Law, and chosen them before all people as his peculiar nation.
Such is also the glory of the Jews when they boast in their schools, praise and thank god that he has sanctified them through his law and made them his chosen nation, while they are well aware that they are keeping none of those things, are filled with pride, envy, usury, avarice and all meanness, and most of all those among them who act very pious and holy in their prayers.
For they are so blinded that they do not only practice usury (that I should be silent about their other vices), but teach it as a right which God had commanded them through Moses." - Martin Luther, 1543
I'm not too interested in the "us" and "them" thing within certain aspects of Judaism.
Is it there? Yes.
Is it more pronounced in most if not all of the other religions? Probably.
I can give you that. I don't think it means much of anything when we get down to the fact that the individual must choose.
I just said in my last post that the one thing that most folks don't know about is how many Jews were integral in the rise and domination of Hitler.
Do you think they cared about "us" vs. "them" when they were counting their money as millions were put into ovens?
I'm guessing no. That's why if I ever came across a Rothschild active in world banking/government it would be the biggest test of my allegiance to the non-aggression principle I can think of.
(((This appears to be translated from another language and it is not edited very well, but it showed up in my newsfeed and sparked a lively discussion. I don't understand #3, though--anyone care to weigh in on the Rothschild thing? Thanks in advance.))
Wish you would have included the source. Dunno about the Rothschilds. I think they were a big banking family, so maybe it's shorthand for the paranoid delusion that Jews control all the money supply?
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