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Old 07-15-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Originally Posted by Winterfall8324 View Post
His knowledge is misinformation in a lot of ways, even when his statistics are accurate because they ignore context, history, and other numbers that give them deeper meaning. You should be careful listening to him.

Like when he says US imperial power was better than the soviets because they invaded Hungary when it wanted to leave the Warsaw pact and we let France leave NATO on friendly terms, or that mass incarceration happened which was followed by massive decreases in crime, etc.

Read my last post; all these things may be true, but he doesn't have a deeper understanding of any of these issues and plays fast and loose with the facts.
You may be true, I don't know, but knowing facts and figures doesn't make one smarter or whatever. It just means you were able to recite things from memory.

I listen to various people with a cautious approach and don't buy everything hook line and sinker.

You may think or know for a fact that maybe he plays loose with facts, I don't know, but he's not an idiot, he's just someone you disagree with.

 
Old 07-15-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You may be true, I don't know, but knowing facts and figures doesn't make one smarter or whatever. It just means you were able to recite things from memory.

I listen to various people with a cautious approach and don't buy everything hook line and sinker.

You may think or know for a fact that maybe he plays loose with facts, I don't know, but he's not an idiot, he's just someone you disagree with.
I agree with the first part, statistics doesn't bring intelligence. In Politics even more so since its a human lead venture.

As for Shapiro:

Idiot: A person of low intelligence

Intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills

He does not look for new information and likes to double down on his world view, and he is selective in how he applies it. Some times his cognitive dissonance (his support for social conservatism and his strong defense of multicultural globalism) makes him incapable of applying information to different situations.

He has potential, but his behavior makes him an idiot.

There are people who know far less than him that aren't idiots. Idiots aren't people who don't know things, they are people who can't apply them.

In Ben's case he won't. Whether he can and doesn't want to or he can't is beyond my purview of knowledge.
 
Old 07-15-2019, 01:13 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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It's a big leap from helping to draft the Balfour Declaration to being primarily responsible for the creation of the State of Israel. As the 1000 year old empires were crumbling, all kinds of nationalities were successfully asserting their right to a state of their own. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Bulgaria, to name be a few. All were carved out of the Austria-Hungarian Empire, the Russian (Czarist) Empire and Germany. Is what makes Israel illegitimate that fact that the proponents were Jewish, the fact that it was carved out of some mythical Muslim "ummah" or that the Ottoman Empire was immune from the impact of losing a war? Inquiring minds must wonder.
 
Old 07-15-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ6b5LuX0V4



Factually, he doesn't understand that changes in soil and agriculture will put at risk food for hundreds of millions. The rest is even more idiotic than that.

He graduated from Harvard with a law degree and yet he has no discernible skills besides destroying college students/SJW.

Have the elites dumb society so far down that this guy can be considered a symbol of intellectualism.

He should stick to calling for mass genocide, shilling for Israel, and pretending to be religious (he is actual a pro-corporate capitalist who hates morality).
I disagree with Shapiro on a lot of stuff and agree with him on others. But for being such an imbecile, the man has quite the habit of completely crushing anyone who has the balls to debate him. I believe it was Milo Yiannopoulos who kept up the facade of wanting to debate Ben for a couple of years, only to finally admit that, "Ben Shapiro is like a fact cannon" and he wanted none of that. The only tactic that I've ever seen show some degree of success against Shapiro is the utterly pathetic tactic of just talking louder, never shutting up and never letting his get a word in edgewise. Of course, in a formal debate, you can't get away with this tactic. I certainly wouldn't want to debate the man, even on issues that I completely disagree with him on.

So perhaps you are just equating "stupidity" with "doesn't line up with my own personal political worldview." You certainly seem to think he stands for things that he absolutely doesn't stand for. Fair to say you're incredibly ignorant of what he actually believes, stands for and talks about. Have you ever actually listened all the way through one of his podcasts or daily YouTube shows? It certainly doesn't sound like it. Calling for mass-genocide? Really? Making such false claims certainly doesn't make you look any smarter yourself. I'd suggest sticking to provable facts instead.

As to this particular video response, feel free to clearly state what Shapiro said that is provably false. That at least merits discussion.
 
Old 07-15-2019, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I disagree with Shapiro on a lot of stuff and agree with him on others. But for being such an imbecile, the man has quite the habit of completely crushing anyone who has the balls to debate him. I believe it was Milo Yiannopoulos who kept up the facade of wanting to debate Ben for a couple of years, only to finally admit that, "Ben Shapiro is like a fact cannon" and he wanted none of that. The only tactic that I've ever seen show some degree of success against Shapiro is the utterly pathetic tactic of just talking louder, never shutting up and never letting his get a word in edgewise. Of course, in a formal debate, you can't get away with this tactic. I certainly wouldn't want to debate the man, even on issues that I completely disagree with him on.

So perhaps you are just equating "stupidity" with "doesn't line up with my own personal political worldview." You certainly seem to think he stands for things that he absolutely doesn't stand for. Fair to say you're incredibly ignorant of what he actually believes, stands for and talks about. Have you ever actually listened all the way through one of his podcasts or daily YouTube shows? It certainly doesn't sound like it. Calling for mass-genocide? Really? Making such false claims certainly doesn't make you look any smarter yourself. I'd suggest sticking to provable facts instead.

As to this particular video response, feel free to clearly state what Shapiro said that is provably false. That at least merits discussion.
https://townhall.com/columnists/bens...y-word-n976781



You can feel free to read my last few posts, he takes data points, makes assumptions off of them, and then cherry picks the data he likes.

He is incapable of learning something new. Just in my OP he doesn't understand that rising sea waters will affect agriculture and destroy housing prices (meaning selling and moving isn't an option). That's just the tip of the iceberg.

But he says it fast so people think he knows what he is talking about. He uses so many false example and contradictory evidence his 'opponents' are left speechless and confused.

"Winning' conversations doesn't make you smart. It also doesn't mean he know what he's talking about.






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He's an idiot, he has deep levels of cognitive dissonance.

He like supporting the status quo (neo-liberal policies are good) but then doesn't understand the role state funding and military action play in corporate America.

He believes that Obama and Clinton are anti-business. He doesn't understand democrats want to promote investment as much as republicans.

He lives in a delusional world with no understanding of externalities, or world history. He doesn't understand where private business came from, what the international world order is, nor what the EU is.

He loves NATO and multinational organizations, yet dislikes the EU despite it being a source of easy market access, he says he's deeply religious but doesn't understand the conflict between global capitalism and religious text.

He thinks right wing nationalists are socialists. He can't comprehend that there are multiple government policy positions besides free market and big government.

What the heck is big government? New deal policies, socialism, nationalism, liberalism, these are all very different economic and political philosophies.

But Ben thinks if you aren't a Reagan supporter or a supporter of 'free markets' your a big government socialist. He thinks Tucker supports socialism.

He doesn't even understand the difference between socialism and government, and he tries to undermine world history, Peron, Castro, Faisal, Nehru, Mussolini or others as the same. Big government.

That's an insult, these are radically different views of government and economics, and neo-liberalism does not have a monopoly on small government (whatever that means).

He doesn't understand anything, but he talks fast.

His facts are wrong or he misrepresents data or doesn't look deeper. He is not intellectually curious and is more determine to 'win' arguments.

He wants larger prisons and tougher jail sentences because he sees the crime bill as the cause of a fall in crime rates. He can't comprehend the concept of correlation does not prove causation.

He cherry picks the facts he likes and ignores the rest, he is ignorant and mis-educated.

He is an idiot.
 
Old 07-15-2019, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Ben Shapiro is a massive idiot

Not always.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irPwRdP63cA
 
Old 07-15-2019, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Ben Shapiro is a massive idiot

Not always.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irPwRdP63cA
She wasn't smug.

And this is a great example of how devoid of depth Shapiro is.
 
Old 07-16-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Delahanty View Post
Ben Shapiro is a massive idiot

Not always.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irPwRdP63cA
She wasn't smug.

And this is a great example of how devoid of depth Shapiro is.
In what way does it show Shapiro's lack of depth? That he doesn't agree that people can change their genders every other day?
 
Old 07-16-2019, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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In what way does it show Shapiro's lack of depth? That he doesn't agree that people can change their genders every other day?
He pretends to be an intellectual but is actually a very limited person of intellect.

Which is sad because he has a degree in political science, this is what he should be good at.


Instead he feels at home going to college campuses and saying biology determines gender (without any intrinsic knowledge of biology).

Agree with him, disagree with him, it doesn't matter. He is incapable of holding consistent thoughts about the economy, NATO, the EU, global history, religon and capitalism, and must degrade himself to these petty fights.

Its what his supporters point to when they're asked for a show of his intellect, but it in no way justifies his deep misunderstanding of climate science, neo-liberal economics, his support for markets and a tough immigration system, his support for NATO but not the EU, his limited thought on crime and much else. (for example he thinks that since the crime bill was followed by a lowering in crime rates it means we must jail more people to fight crime. That is a weak understanding and he doesn't understand the concept of correlation does not prove causation. This permeates through all his beliefs showing how little thought he has put into his politics).

But back to the gender debate, activist say gender is a social construct while sex is biological. They even say transgenders are still biologically male or female (that's why they say trans-male/trans-female).

Agree with them or not, even at this base simple level Shapiro feels the need to make a straw-man argument that SJWs don't agree with biology (whatever that means).
 
Old 07-16-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: San Jose
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The second he comes under fire from an actual adult, he falls apart like a child. The fact that anyone takes this guy seriously is just laughable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRF3r3zUGqk&t=1s
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