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“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added.
Social Democracies exist to curb to curb the excesses of predatory capitalism. End state capitalism only works for the .01% that have concentrated all the wealth in their hands.
It appears that most of the posters railing against so-called "Socialist Policies" didn't pay attention to their Econ or World history courses.
A social welfare system that provides the following:
Universal Healthcare
Reduced cost University and "trades" job training for everyone
True curbs on monopolistic and predatory capitalism
Creates a system where everyone in the country can win. Not just a few.
So stop spreading the excrement around because anyone with any brains whatsoever has realized that the right wing talking point has zero to do with reality. Trump, the lord of the flies and lies and standard bearer of the right is enough proof of how low the party has sunk and their disdain for truth.
A corrupt petrol state à la Russia style is the bottom line of Venezuela's troubles.
Corruption and socialism go hand in hand. Socialist nations are always corrupt.
People want more than what a socialist bureaucracy decides what they need even in the best of times for socialist nations.
This is true. The comparisons between Venezuala and say, Denmark is wrong. Even though Chavez and Maduro used the terms "Social Democratic" to self describe, that is incorrect. Venezuala is a communist country.
Communism on any larger scale (say over a few hundred people) has always been destined to fail.
The Scandanavian models, market based economies with heavy taxation and regulations down the scale, have worked to some degree within smaller countries with homogenous populations/cultures. Even those countries are struggling to some degree with these systems now that unfettered immigration has been allowed in recent years.
It wont work well in the USA, no matter what clowns like Bernie/fauxcahontas/AOC believe.
If their destined to fail on their own, then why do we put sanctions on them and meddle in their affairs that only end up punishing the citizens?
If their destined to fail on their own, then why do we put sanctions on them and meddle in their affairs that only end up punishing the citizens?
It is obvious to most that Venezuala has already failed by any reasonable standards.
I do not endorse any forays into Venezuala based on imperialism motives, nor do I want the U.S. to get in the middle of another countries humanitarian issues. We have done too much of that type of thing over the years, IMO. I have become an isolationist to some degree.
Leaving Venezuala alone as the most recent obvious failure of communism, allowing the world to see the corruption and suffering that inevitiably happens under communism as the country slowly grinds down to a state of anarchy would have a definite benefit on the grander scale. A beacon of what not to do, if you will.
But, I will also state, if our govt uses temporary sanctions to pressure Maduro to leave office soon without further mass bloodshed, and it results in a more democratic govt there, I'm OK with that also. It is obvious the people there are suffering greatly already, with no relief in sight.
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It is obvious to most that Venezuala has already failed by any reasonable standards.
I do not endorse any forays into Venezuala based on imperialism motives, nor do I want the U.S. to get in the middle of another countries humanitarian issues. We have done too much of that type of thing over the years, IMO. I have become an isolationist to some degree.
Leaving Venezuala alone as the most recent obvious failure of communism, allowing the world to see the corruption and suffering that inevitiably happens under communism as the country slowly grinds down to a state of anarchy would have a definite benefit on the grander scale.
But, I will also state, if our govt uses temporary sanctions to pressure Maduro to leave office soon without further mass bloodshed, and it results in a more democratic govt there, I'm OK with that also. It is obvious the people there are suffering greatly already, with no relief in sight.
What I am saying is, we have been meddling with them for years already.
There is plenty of ammo to say we caused their collapse. That is the cost when we meddle in others affairs.
Its the same nonsense that proclaimed that Social Security couldnt possibly work in the US. Or that Medicare couldnt possibly work. Its pure propaganda with no facts to back it up with. The main goal of the media is to delude the people into believing that policies that help the people are terrible and that Wall Street is our friend.
What I am saying is, we have been meddling with them for years already.
There is plenty of ammo to say we caused their collapse. That is the cost when we meddle in others affairs.
I would agree that they have been meddled with, and I dont like it. We have done too much of that in the past. I understand why Maduro resents the U.S. But asserting that the U.S. caused their collapse is extremely weak. Their collapse was by a self inflicted gunshot wound by any measureable standards, due to the political/economic model they chose to adopt.
So stop spreading the excrement around because anyone with any brains whatsoever has realized that the right wing talking point has zero to do with reality. Trump, the lord of the flies and lies and standard bearer of the right is enough proof of how low the party has sunk and their disdain for truth.
A corrupt petrol state à la Russia style is the bottom line of Venezuela's troubles.
Wait...what? Socialist governments turn into corruption? The hell you say.
That's what happens in Socialist governments. How many examples in history do you need?
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