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Than you have conscious woke pro blacks. These are the types who have their fist in the air, black red and green wearing, back to Africa, but don't like Africans or any other black immigrant. Always putting blame on white supremacy, or the white man is this, or white people are that, but at the same time they sleep around with them. These types of black Americans do not vote at all, because neither democrats or republicans have their best interest or agenda at heart.
I agree with your posts for the most part, but disagree about some of your conclusions, based on the ADOS members I've been around. Not going after you personally; just sharing another perspective after having read this thread aloud to them and getting feedback.
I suppose they can be considered conscious, woke, pro-Blacks, as they're very aware, and outspoken about the presence and effects of white supremacy, but maybe they're a mixture of that 2nd and 3rd voting groups mentioned (Roland Martin speaks an awful lot about white supremacy, so it's interesting that you put him in the 3rd group; would also disagree with the idea of affluence being present, as if that's the bulk of the Dem vote, yet the majority of Black Americans aren't doing well financially, that doesn't seem to be too common a trait, sadly); the ones I know, for example, aren't "back to Africa" types, flag wearers, fist raisers, etc. They're usually Bible-believers, sure, socially conservative/politically and economically liberal, yes, and they vote every 4, if not 2, years because although the Dems certainly practice benign neglect toward Black ADOS Americans as a whole, at least their racism's a bit less hostile than that of Reps. They aren't well-to-do/affluent, aren't fond of gender war intersectionality issues, and aren't particularly into having sex with, dating, or marrying white people, not due to their race, per se (since they make clear that when speaking of white society and white supremacy, they're not saying "all white people" - most white people, sure, but not all), but largely due to lack of shared perspectives and the tendency toward colorblind racism and anti-Black implicit biases eventually being discovered.
I've not found the ADOS I know to be anti-immigrant, nor necessarily anti-immigration, either. They're often empathetic, or at least open-minded toward immigrants and their plight, but are still for common sense border control and strong immigration laws. So, the overall sentiment ends up being more so, to quote one I know, anti-"stepping over us to receive benefits that were never intended for you, all while still looking down on us and playing victim when you're called out on your doing so." It seems not so much the "rejection" of others, but that they simply identify them by ethnicity/nationality as said groups of people already do to themselves, and have also decided to identify similarly in kind via the shared history of race-based enslavement in this particular country.
What you described in a previous post about groups thinking they're better than ADOS individuals is obviously, and understandably, imo, a cause of resentment, so most feel the criticism given about other groups is a justified reaction caused by provocation toward ADOS, not initially caused by the ADOS themselves - after all, why would being looked down on by newcomers benefiting more from what was supposedly put in place for you than you are, while calling you lazy and pathologically crime-ridden, engender positive response, anyway? The insinuation that ADOS individuals don't also try to avoid legal trouble might be considered offensive, for instance; as could be the idea that ADOS is divisive but believing that what was said about Black immigrant groups sticking with (and, one could think by reading it, only helping) their own, isn't also divisive, since one can't divide what's already always been divided. Regardless, indeed, there's irritation with the Dem party for putting the wants of others ahead of their most dependable voting block, as well, though I also agree, it's unlikely the majority will ever vote Rep.
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So these are conservatives???
I agree with EdwardA in saying no. I've honestly yet to meet one ADOS member who is a self-identifying political conservative. Then again, most Black people I know, in general, who vote Dem are actually Independents, so... lol
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So are they going to vote for Trump? Trump only needs 20% of the black vote for a land slide. That wall is definitely going up now ��
Nope. Being irritated with Dems doesn't mean they'd ever end up choosing to vote for Trump. Again, to quote one, "we know better, and always have. We're Independents, not stupid."
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Has the government ever given out freebies? If so why?
Yes. MLK, for one, was rather clear about such, and how, in this youtube clip: /watch?v=CzBaXZI-IWM
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So they not voting 2020 is what you are saying?
Most I've spoken to are talking about being selective when voting for the primaries. I imagine the voting numbers will stay the same as usual, though, regarding voting in the main election.
correct. The ADOS movement is being pushed by conscious woke blacks in social media by the likes of Antonio Moore, Yvette Carnal and Tariq Nasheed and others.
I remember my old man telling me, that America is ready for a black president, and will have a black president, but America wont have a black American president, and is not ready to elect a black American for president. The reason why will be the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and other issues that will be brought up into the national spot light once again. It is very interesting that America elected a black man of immigrant descent vs a black person of American slave descent. Even though Mr. Obama married a Black American women who a descendent of slaves but also out of touch with her cohort, Obama never had a clear message for black Americans.
Why are American blacks doing ADOS. It is to get information out there, and plenty of black Americans feel that they have been left out of the conversation politically and economically on the national level. ADOS, black Americans want the national government to have a black agenda. The only president who recently had an agenda for blacks is Donald Trump. Trump told you black Americans, what do we have to loose? He told you guys that.
Also ADOS want reparations for slavery and Jim Crow. A California woman wants 100 billion dollars for reparations, however sharing 100 billion with 34 million black Americans only equates to 2000 dollars per person.
Also ADOS movement is strong amongst black Americans who reject he democrat party. Those that reject the democrat party are either conscious woke pro blacks, and black conservatives. Both camps or black echo chambers are anti democrat, and are also anti immigrant. ADOS also reject blacks of immigrant descent such as Black Caribbean's, black Latinos, black Africans. Plenty of black immigrants made strong gains in the pasts 100 years, most notably wining the white house. The first black female elected to congress was a half Guyanese/Bajan woman, and not an African American, Colin Powel a Jamaican American became an high ranking general in the US ARMY. Much of these gains have been made through using African American affirmative action which are supposed to be designed for black Americans only, but was never enforced. This is the reason why at times on an application I check off other instead of checking African American. Not because I'm a biracial, but because I'm not a Black or African American. My parents come from South American nation of Guyana, but I was born here in the states.
As for ADOS? I hope black Americans get what they want or tend to achieve. They should obtain some sort of reparations off of years of toil and unanswered agendas from both democrat and republican parties.
They are the luckiest black people on the planet being born here.
I still don't get it, if you are going continue having to same politics why start a movement bitching about how the party you vote 96% for. Wouldn't that make them want to replace you even faster with immigrants?
Seen this hashtag floating around twitter, very interesting insight. Seems like a civil war within the Democratic party, look like Trump is going to win in 2020. LOL
Seen this hashtag floating around twitter, very interesting insight. Seems like a civil war within the Democratic party, look like Trump is going to win in 2020. LOL
Had to look it up.
So are you suggesting because of this movement Democrats will vote for Trump.
So are you suggesting swing voters will vote for Trump because of this obscure reference
Not sure how you are coming to your conclusion.
Never heard of ADOS. I don't see a civil war in the democratic party, but a healthy debate between progressives and more mainstream liberals. And I sure as heck don't what is meant by "conscious woke community".
They are the luckiest black people on the planet being born here.
This is very true. The best country for blacks would be Canada. 2nd best would be Barbados. 3rd best in my opinion would be united states. Everywhere else black folks have it hard. After the United States, next best place for blacks would be the Bahamas. I do agree that blacls in America benefit from America being a global dominant power and economic powerhouse. Also united states uses soft cultural power to promote black america such as musicians like Michael jackson, and athletes like Micheal Jordan and kobe Bryant.
correct. The ADOS movement is being pushed by conscious woke blacks in social media by the likes of Antonio Moore, Yvette Carnal and Tariq Nasheed and others.
I remember my old man telling me, that America is ready for a black president, and will have a black president, but America wont have a black American president, and is not ready to elect a black American for president. The reason why will be the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and other issues that will be brought up into the national spot light once again. It is very interesting that America elected a black man of immigrant descent vs a black person of American slave descent. Even though Mr. Obama married a Black American women who a descendent of slaves but also out of touch with her cohort, Obama never had a clear message for black Americans.
Why are American blacks doing ADOS. It is to get information out there, and plenty of black Americans feel that they have been left out of the conversation politically and economically on the national level. ADOS, black Americans want the national government to have a black agenda. The only president who recently had an agenda for blacks is Donald Trump. Trump told you black Americans, what do we have to loose? He told you guys that.
Also ADOS want reparations for slavery and Jim Crow. A California woman wants 100 billion dollars for reparations, however sharing 100 billion with 34 million black Americans only equates to 2000 dollars per person.
Also ADOS movement is strong amongst black Americans who reject he democrat party. Those that reject the democrat party are either conscious woke pro blacks, and black conservatives. Both camps or black echo chambers are anti democrat, and are also anti immigrant. ADOS also reject blacks of immigrant descent such as Black Caribbean's, black Latinos, black Africans. Plenty of black immigrants made strong gains in the pasts 100 years, most notably wining the white house. The first black female elected to congress was a half Guyanese/Bajan woman, and not an African American, Colin Powel a Jamaican American became an high ranking general in the US ARMY. Much of these gains have been made through using African American affirmative action which are supposed to be designed for black Americans only, but was never enforced. This is the reason why at times on an application I check off other instead of checking African American. Not because I'm a biracial, but because I'm not a Black or African American. My parents come from South American nation of Guyana, but I was born here in the states.
As for ADOS? I hope black Americans get what they want or tend to achieve. They should obtain some sort of reparations off of years of toil and unanswered agendas from both democrat and republican parties.
1. 100% of Americans are "aware" that slavery happened in America, so "getting the message out" is not necessary.
2. Blacks are politically irrelevant because they vote nearly 100% democrat regardless of what democrats do. Therefore, both political parties ignore them, as they are politically irrelevant.
3. Reparations would require that 87% of the American population is willing to essentially write a check for $100,000 plus each to someone they don't know for something they didn't do. Good luck on that one.
4. Black Americans should seek reparations from those who sold their ancestors- West African blacks and Middle Eastern slave traders. I am sure they will be very cooperative in paying "damages".
In the drug war, does it make sense to arrest the guy smoking a joint, or the dealer selling hundreds of tons of pot?
5. All blacks living in America are much better off than their West African counterparts whose ancestors were not sold into slavery. Would you prefer to trade places with them and return to the lifestyle you would otherwise be living?
6. Law seeks to "make someone whole" as a result of an injustice. With slavery, it would be restoring the blacks in America to a standard of living currently in west Africa or providing the means to re-locate back to West Africa.
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