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Using Isrseli and Jew interchangeably again, I see. We are talking about JEWS in this thread. Why jump immediately to Israel? (And Democrats keep insisting there's no relationship between being anti-Israel and anti-Jew!)
Explain then how Jews here in the U.S. are so successful. They arrived penniless from Europe in the late 18th and early 19th century, and a generation (or two) later, their kids and grandkids are all college graduates, inckuding physicians, lawyers, engineers, and scientists. (So much for the "privilege" of inter-generational wealth I hear given as an excuse as to why white people succeed.) I'll tell you:
1. Emphasis on education
2. Hard work and motivation
3. Children after marriage
You're awfully resentful of Jews' success.
Partly true. Most immigrants who came to the United States early on came here poor, to find opportunity, and then became prosperous over time depending on many important factors well beyond the simple three you list. More of that story that deserves a little attention perhaps...
"Immigration of Eastern Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazi Jews, in 1880–1914, brought a large, poor, traditional element to New York City. They were Orthodox or Conservative in religion. They founded the Zionist movement in the United States, and were active supporters of the Socialist party and labor unions. Economically, they concentrated in the garment industry."
"In January 1948, the treasurer of the Jewish Agency was convinced that Israel would not be able to raise more than seven to eight million dollars from the American Jewish community. Meir traveled to the United States, and she raised $50,000,000, which was used to purchase arms in Europe for the young country. Ben-Gurion wrote that Meir's role as the "Jewish woman who got the money which made the state possible" would go down one day in the history books."
-- Some simple historical facts from Wikipedia.
At about that time of Israel's beginning, the "American Jewish community" seemed far from poor anymore in any case...
Partly true. Most immigrants who came to the United States early on came here poor, to find opportunity, and then became prosperous over time depending on many important factors well beyond the simple three you list. More of that story that deserves a little attention perhaps...
"Immigration of Eastern Yiddish-speaking Ashkenazi Jews, in 1880–1914, brought a large, poor, traditional element to New York City. They were Orthodox or Conservative in religion. They founded the Zionist movement in the United States, and were active supporters of the Socialist party and labor unions. Economically, they concentrated in the garment industry."
"In January 1948, the treasurer of the Jewish Agency was convinced that Israel would not be able to raise more than seven to eight million dollars from the American Jewish community. Meir traveled to the United States, and she raised $50,000,000, which was used to purchase arms in Europe for the young country. Ben-Gurion wrote that Meir's role as the "Jewish woman who got the money which made the state possible" would go down one day in the history books."
-- Some simple historical facts from Wikipedia.
At about that time of Israel's beginning, the "American Jewish community" seemed far from poor anymore in any case...
They came poor and through their own efforts did well, and advanced themselves. The DP's from Europe, in 1948, however, were hardly wealthy. They did well over time, largely through their own efforts.
In this country, You’re just white folks to me. I don’t have time to differentiate between Jews or non Jews except for when I intentionally seek out Jewish food and pastries.
Otherwise, I don’t give American Jews a second thought. To me, you’re just white folks with a strange religion. Nothing more, nothing less.
I’ve never once stopped to ponder your success stories. I’m from Arizona. Mormons have a bigger footprint here than Jews. But hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
Funny you introduce the Mormons here as they too share certain unique and profound similarities in terms of struggling to assimilate with others here in the United States like the Jews in other parts of the world, continuously persecuted no less, first lead by their prophet Joseph Smith, then Brigham Young to Salt Lake City...
Mormonism, or the Latter Day Saint movement, teaches that its adherents are either direct descendants of the House of Israel or adopted into it. As such, Mormons regard Jews as a covenant people of God and hold them in high esteem. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), the largest church in Mormonism, is philo-Semitic in its doctrine.
Studies have shown that American Jews generally view Mormons more positively than any other religious group, despite often voting on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Explanations for Jews' high regard for Mormons is speculated to come both from their solidarity with other historically abused religious minorities and the philo-semitism of Mormon theology.
I struggle with the "understanding" about much of all this, but I'll just leave it at that for now...
They came poor and through their own efforts did well, and advanced themselves. The DP's from Europe, in 1948, however, were hardly wealthy. They did well over time, largely through their own efforts.
Not sure I understand your point. Most you point out is just repetition of information I provide in my comment. Few are they who "do well over time" other than "largely through their own efforts." Not everyone gets to start like Trump anyway...
Not all the wealth in the hands of the most wealthy in America are all a result of efforts beyond other very hard working people, or altogether inclusive, without prejudice, when it comes to sharing those opportunities with others, but now that such wealth is concentrated in the hands of so few, even as early as when Golda Meir tapped those pockets (to the tune of $50,000,000 -- imagine), we have faced a bit of a different issue in these regards as compared to the general population in early colonial days. Fair?
Studies have shown that American Jews generally view Mormons more positively than any other religious group, despite often voting on opposite ends of the political spectrum. Explanations for Jews' high regard for Mormons is speculated to come both from their solidarity with other historically abused religious minorities and the philo-semitism of Mormon theology.
I struggle with the "understanding" about much of all this, but I'll just leave it at that for now...
The Occam's Razor explanation is the shared values of community, work, education, and marriage before children.
The Occam's Razor explanation is the shared values of community, work, education, and marriage before children.
I am a fan of the Occam's Razon principal, but careful! One should not confuse the Occam's Razor principal to conflate assumptions with facts, or to select certain facts over other facts according to bias. "Always two sides to every story" (if not more), one might add...
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