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Old 02-13-2019, 03:00 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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Republicans believe their rigid, narrow religious rules should be forced on all Americans and that there should be zero tolerance for any objections. They are the very definition of tyrants.
Four words: “Common Sense Gun Control”

Two more: “Gender Identity”
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Homosexual acts are immoral. It doesn't matter how many think they're OK. This law has been consistent for centuries. God didn't suddenly change is mind on this core principle in 2012 like Hillary and 0bummer did.
Which acts would those be? Oral sex? Anal sex?

I hate to point this out, but on any given day, it's likely that far more heterosexual couples perform these acts. Just because there are so many more heterosexual couples.

If the only justification for a law is that "the bible sez", you have lost the argument.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I would be down with eliminating civil marriage. But so long as there is such a thing, it must be available to all.
In the US, only civil marriage confers marital rights and responsibilities. If you want those rights and responsibilities (and not everyone does), a religious or other ceremony is optional, but a marriage license/certificate is not.

Every once in a while you hear about something like this - https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...s-rock-7612781 Whatever ceremony she had, and even if she deeply meant it (I suspect there's a tongue in her cheek, but who knows), she is not legally married, because there is no marriage certificate/license.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Why is there still so much hatred directed at the LGBT community? I’m married to my partner, and we’re happy! Can’t people just let this go?
Alas, some people can't. My guess is that those who can't let it go are religiously motivated.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:39 PM
 
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Alas, some people can't. My guess is that those who can't let it go are religiously motivated.
Or homosexual closet cases.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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In the US, only civil marriage confers marital rights and responsibilities. If you want those rights and responsibilities (and not everyone does), a religious or other ceremony is optional, but a marriage license/certificate is not.

Every once in a while you hear about something like this - https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...s-rock-7612781 Whatever ceremony she had, and even if she deeply meant it (I suspect there's a tongue in her cheek, but who knows), she is not legally married, because there is no marriage certificate/license.
No one should need a government license to enter into a voluntary contract.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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No one should need a government license to enter into a voluntary contract.
I hate to tell you this, but one of the big reasons that government exists is to regulate and enforce contracts.

Someone has to be able to force a contract violator to make things right.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:36 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I think its a legitimate question whether or not the government should have been involved in a religious sacrament like marriage in the first place. However, it is what it is and it must be available to all. I don't agree with revoking the rights and benefits that come with marriage for everyone simply to appease religious fundamentalists who aren't directly impacted in any way by who marries who. Absolutely nobody is trying to force churches that oppose same-sex marriage to marry same-sex couples.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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Republicans believe their rigid, narrow religious rules should be forced on all Americans and that there should be zero tolerance for any objections. They are the very definition of tyrants.
Yes, and they would love a Christian shariah law here too. Loving Christians. Wow.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I hate to tell you this, but one of the big reasons that government exists is to regulate and enforce contracts.

Someone has to be able to force a contract violator to make things right.
I hate to tell you this, but the government has no right to regulate and enforce contracts.

That's what arbitrators are for.
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