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Old 02-17-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Southern Colorado
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This all goes back to our fascination with appearances. AOC would have not been elected, let alone become nationally famous, if she were not photogenic. She is just another pretty space cadet with enough firing neurons to gain controversy.

Slinging drinks is not a noted qualifier for guiding national political content and outcomes. Another symptom of an empire losing its rudder.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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I'm not an ideological purist. I consider myself more pragmatic. I would also say that, thankfully, few "Capitalist" societies actually practice pure "laissez-faire capitalism".
Socialist capitalism. Our entire financial system is a socialist system. The Fed is constantly meddling in the economy for the benefit of some, costing others.

The capitalists are far bigger socialists than the "socialists" they condemn. They condemn them because they do not want anyone interrupting their socialism.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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The article noted that Amazon wanted it to indeed be a back room deal. Local politicians did not want it to be and that was a reason Amazon packed up.
AOC and the spread of ignorance strikes again.

The bulk of the money was NOT a backroom deal. The bulk of the money was from publicly known years old incentives for any company that create jobs in NY. Some incentives older than Amazon the company itself.

So AOC starts screeching out lies including about backroom money deals and then Amazon wanted the resolution to this conflict in the backroom...that doesn't change the fact that the bulk of the money wasn't a backroom deal.

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That issue, however, is misunderstood, and it cost Amazon and the city of New York dearly. Amazon was not given a special $3 billion in backroom deals as an incentive for choosing New York. Amazon qualified for more than $1.2 billion in state incentives, and nearly $1 billion in New York City tax incentives, but neither of those programs were specific to Amazon. The state incentives and tax breaks are part of a longstanding Excelsior Jobs Program that offers such benefits formulaically to any company creating jobs in the state; the city incentives would go to any company relocating to the city. Those programs were in place before Amazon, and were not developed to woo it. That is why it is so misleading to characterize the incentives and tax breaks as a juicy package secretly concocted in Albany and New York City to pitch Amazon.
https://www.wired.com/story/new-york...everyone-lost/
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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This all goes back to our fascination with appearances. AOC would have not been elected, let alone become nationally famous, if she were not photogenic. She is just another pretty space cadet with enough firing neurons to gain controversy.

Slinging drinks is not a noted qualifier for guiding national political content and outcomes. Another symptom of an empire losing its rudder.
She is one voice. All of the Congresspeople and Senators are simply one voice. The founders never intended for only those with the proper connections to be a voice.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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Local politicians did not want it to be and that was a reason Amazon packed up.
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Predictably, immediate reactions ranged from the ebullient to the despondent, the hopeful to the angry. Mayor Bill de Blasio sounded hurt and angry, and accused the company of “throwing away a great opportunity.” Governor Andrew Cuomo slammed Democratic leaders in the city for “the lost economic opportunity.” Meanwhile, AOC celebrated, as did senator Elizabeth Warren from her new perch as presidential candidate.
https://www.wired.com/story/new-york...everyone-lost/

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While polls show that 70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships that are required to go forward with the project we and many others envisioned in Long Island City."
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/amazons...ers-tech-world

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Amazon was supposed to get $3 billion in subsidies. In exchange, New York state was to get $27 billion flowing into its coffers. Any business in the world would have gotten most of those subsidies by law. Not just the massive, wealthy ones.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-new-york.html

The governor and mayor were upset that Amazon bailed - so are many New Yorkers.

It seems people grand standing in fantasy land are the most cheerful over it.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:47 AM
 
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AOC and the spread of ignorance strikes again.

The bulk of the money was NOT a backroom deal.
Quit trying to deflect the argument even when you are not disagreeing with it. The article was clear that Amazon wanted the deal done in the backrooms and the local politicians wanted it done in the open.

The "bulk of the money" is an irrelevant argument. Are you really arguing that "deals" should be done in backrooms? Is that not what Pelosi was slammed for?
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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https://www.wired.com/story/new-york...everyone-lost/

The governor and mayor were upset that Amazon bailed - so are many New Yorkers.
Good. Both are terrible at what they do. Both are huge authoritarians who believe they know what is better for the people than the people do.

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It seems people grand standing in fantasy land are the most cheerful over it.
They were looking out for the people so............
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Southern Colorado
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She is one voice. All of the Congresspeople and Senators are simply one voice. The founders never intended for only those with the proper connections to be a voice.
Our Founding Fathers? They were largely elitists. Only land owning men were granted the right to vote.

Citizens are a voice. Congress critters have a national mega phone - which AOC is hardly qualified to employ.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:06 AM
 
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Our Founding Fathers? They were largely elitists. Only land owning men were granted the right to vote.

Citizens are a voice. Congress critters have a national mega phone - which AOC is hardly qualified to employ.
She can speak as well as Trump. I'll argue that a proper rebuttal is not name calling.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:21 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Why the hell would any large company want to move into a state / city with such corrupt politicians, anti-business policies and so many people who don't welcome you ?

Companies and money move out of the NY area, not into it. Come to Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Phoenix or the other major cities that welcome you, want your money and will work with you.

The Politics of the Democrats is becoming too Socialist / Communist and anti Capitalism. A business would be nuts to move to a Democrat run state from this point on until they return to their sanity if ever.
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