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Old 02-15-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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Trump is all the bad things Republicans CLAIMED Obama was. This is insane.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump is all the bad things Republicans CLAIMED Obama was. This is insane.
I recall for 8 years listening to "what does he think he is, a dictator" "trampling on the constitution".Yet here we have a national emergency that hasn't been a national emergency for the last 2 years.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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Gun violence is far less. It's a spec of mist compared to the number of illegals crossing the border.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Gun control is a lose/lose issue for the dems so don't expect it to happen. You just mention the words " gun control" and gun sales skyrocket. Why else was Obama the darling of the NRA?
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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And as deaths caused by illegals are even lower, I’m glad that you agree that the southern border does not constitute a national emergency.

This is a stupid argument....if they were not here, would those people be dead?


Tell that to these families:


Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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Trump’s action runs against Article 1, namely Congress’s power of the purse.

Clueless is seeing the constitutional flaws in your opponents plans while ignoring them in your own side’s.
He's planning to use funds that have already been appropriated by Congress in past sessions, and which can be dedicated to other purposes under a declared national emergency, under powers already delegated to the President by the selfsame Congress under the National Emergencies Act of 1976. As you are no doubt aware, the NEA authorizes the President to redirect up to $100 billion in unspent Defense Department funds pursuant to a declaration of national emergency, funds which would already have been appropriated by Congress in sessions past.

The Dems' argument here is pretty thin, considering that Congress has already appropriated the money, and the President, pursuant to powers Congress itself granted to the Commander-in-Chief, is merely redirecting a portion of those funds for construction of a border wall, which he is most assuredly authorized to do.

While you can whine, cry, and stamp your feet because you don't like the idea of a border wall, you simply can't complain that there has been some kind of end run around Congress in this matter when the Commander-in-Chief is acting under Congressional authority in pursuing this course of action.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:29 AM
 
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No need.

The GOP has already started their plan to stop abortions. Use onerous regulations to effectively stop women from using their right to have an abortion.

That same game plan could work for guns. You would still have the right to own a gun, but........can you jump through all the hoops to exercise that right?


We already jump through hoops....unless you are talking about current criminals...then how are you going to make them jump?
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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As most things, the solution is within our own actions, not the governments'. All posters to this thread who fit this profile can get in motion, stay in motion and the national emergency of fat asses goes poof.
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Obesity is common, serious, and costly
The prevalence of obesity was 39.8% and affected about 93.3 million of US adults in 2015~2016. [Read CDC National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) data briefCdc-pdf PDF-603KB]
Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death. [Read guidelinesExternal]
The estimated annual medical cost of obesity in the United States was $147 billion in 2008 US dollars; the medical cost for people who have obesity was $1,429 higher than those of normal weight. [Read paperExternal]
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
That's actually a really good point.

And to add insult to injury, the US demographic with the highest obesity rate are those who receive food stamps. So now, taxpayers have to pay for their overeating, twice or more, while simultaneously enabling the pernicious destruction of their health.

Here's the damage Food Stamps and other means-tested government-provided free food/meal programs are doing...

Even the USDA has noticed there's a correlation between receiving Food Stamps and obesity. And the USDA OIG has recommended halting the overlapping of government free food services for the exact same daily meals.

The obesity rates of the poor on food stamps compared to the poor who aren't on food stamps, and compared to the rest of the population:

Income-eligible children on food stamps: 24%
Income-eligible children NOT on food stamps: 20%
Non-poor children who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 13%

Kids who get Food Stamps (and free school meals, and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have an 85% higher obesity rate than kids who don't qualify for those benefits.

Income-eligible adults on food stamps: 44% obese
Income-eligible adults NOT on food stamps: 33% obese
Non-poor adults who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 32% obese

Adults who get Food Stamps (and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have a 33.3% higher obesity rate than adults who qualify for those benefits but choose to not receive them.

Do the math, and recognize that this is a SIGNIFICANT problem.

Exhibit 5, here:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...-SNAP07-10.pdf

Also, it certainly does appear that the children of poor and low-income families who receive free school breakfast, lunch, etc., program meals, regardless of whether they get food stamps, are being overfed.

And to confirm, the USDA OIG (Office of the Inspector General) has found that a full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals:

Overlap and Duplication in Food and Nutrition Service's Nutrition Programs - USDA OIG
http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27001-0001-10.pdf

Let that sink in... A full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals.

Are we really doing the poor any favors by causing their obesity by letting them double-dip and sometimes even triple-dip or more government free food program benefits, thereby enabling their overeating and ruining their health? They are disproportionately obese, and cost us a lot more tax money to pay for their obesity-related health problems, such as heart disease and diabetes.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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Indeed. FAT is a huge contributor to health care costs. Deal with the FAT and dramatically lower out of control health cost. This is a macro-economic argument. Many folks can only see micro.

FAT is not pretty. FAT is not economically smart. FAT is cheating yourself of life and vitality within your life - tragically foreshortened. It takes effort though.

Therefore, the problem. Mindfulness and effort. Things little in demand, unfortunately.

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That's actually a really good point.

And to add insult to injury, the US demographic with the highest obesity rate are those who receive food stamps. So now, taxpayers have to pay for their overeating, twice or more, while simultaneously enabling the pernicious destruction of their health.

Here's the damage Food Stamps and other means-tested government-provided free food/meal programs are doing...

Even the USDA has noticed there's a correlation between receiving Food Stamps and obesity. And the USDA OIG has recommended halting the overlapping of government free food services for the exact same daily meals.

The obesity rates of the poor on food stamps compared to the poor who aren't on food stamps, and compared to the rest of the population:

Income-eligible children on food stamps: 24%
Income-eligible children NOT on food stamps: 20%
Non-poor children who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 13%

Kids who get Food Stamps (and free school meals, and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have an 85% higher obesity rate than kids who don't qualify for those benefits.

Income-eligible adults on food stamps: 44% obese
Income-eligible adults NOT on food stamps: 33% obese
Non-poor adults who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 32% obese

Adults who get Food Stamps (and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have a 33.3% higher obesity rate than adults who qualify for those benefits but choose to not receive them.

Do the math, and recognize that this is a SIGNIFICANT problem.

Exhibit 5, here:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...-SNAP07-10.pdf

Also, it certainly does appear that the children of poor and low-income families who receive free school breakfast, lunch, etc., program meals, regardless of whether they get food stamps, are being overfed.

And to confirm, the USDA OIG (Office of the Inspector General) has found that a full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals:

Overlap and Duplication in Food and Nutrition Service's Nutrition Programs - USDA OIG
http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27001-0001-10.pdf

Let that sink in... A full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals.

Are we really doing the poor any favors by causing their obesity by letting them double-dip and sometimes even triple-dip or more government free food program benefits, thereby enabling their overeating and ruining their health? They are disproportionately obese, and cost us a lot more tax money to pay for their obesity-related health problems, such as heart disease and diabetes.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:46 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why do you suppose blacks commit so much gun violence?
It's obviously not because they're Republicans.
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