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Old 02-21-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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The issue was not about an official language, nor my lack of fluency. It was that I accepted my lacking Spanish fluency, despite trying; did not cause an issue, calmly, politely worked through the situation. The customer service attendant failed to, refused to, turned her back, walked away.

She had a couple of options; the one she chose and another, ask a bi-lingual individual to help me. Should I sue, file a complaint for her rude behavior, refusal to perform the customer service duty to best of her ability given the a virtually non-Spanish speaking customer? Of course not.

That is the point.
Doesn't matter how many times you repeat this inanity, it's not remotely the same thing as being a United States citizen in her own country - which does NOT have an official language - speaking privately to a friend and being detained by a law enforcement official who had no probable cause to do so.

Stop making yourself look silly for thinking you not finding an English speaking clerk in another country is the same thing.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:15 AM
 
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The issue was not about an official language, nor my lack of fluency. It was that I accepted my lacking Spanish fluency, despite trying; did not cause an issue, calmly, politely worked through the situation. The customer service attendant failed to, refused to, turned her back, walked away.

She had a couple of options; the one she chose and another, ask a bi-lingual individual to help me. Should I sue, file a complaint for her rude behavior, refusal to perform the customer service duty to best of her ability given the a virtually non-Spanish speaking customer? Of course not.

That is the point.
The point is irrelevant and not equivalent in any way.

You don't need to keep repeating it
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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I said I couldn't care less the "gist" aka topic of their conversations so WTH are you talking about? Reading comprehension problem again? The ignorant and rude part is speaking a foreign language loud enough for others to hear it especially when they know English. It's a non-assimilation factor also.


Who cares if Spanish speakers were immigrants or not back then? You're missing the entire point and that is that today many if not most Spanish speakers seem to have an aversion to speaking English these days in public. It's directly due to not diversifying our immigrant numbers these days and massive illegal immigration from south of our border. They are colonizing rather than assimilating and American fools are pandering to them in Spanish. Are you also having a problem comprehending that?
You actually believe this?

Good God.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: New Market, MD
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The point is irrelevant and not equivalent in any way.

You don't need to keep repeating it



Sometimes I wonder how people can be so obtuse! He keeps repeating it although many people have explained him in details why the two stories have NOTHING that is comparable
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:21 AM
 
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I cannot stand arrogant, rude people who think they need to eavesdrop on others private conversations in public. Besides sharing a common bond with family and friends, did it ever occur to you that they might be speaking in a foreign language because they not want want you to understand their private conversation? If I see someone snooping on my conversation, in ENGLISH, I will whisper in my companions ears, move, or leave.

My Nonna, sorry, Grandma, told me that during WW2 the family stopped speaking Italian out in public. They Americanized their surname. Nonna went by the name Anne instead of Anna Maria. People would think they were SPIES speaking Italian, or German then. Today if someone is speaking Spanish, or whose name is Jose, must be an ILLEGAL!

It must really bother you when someone Signs out in public. You cannot understand them. Are they signing in English or Spanish? Are they Americans or Illegals? I cannot hear what you are saying. We SPEAK English in the USA!

Basta, Stunards. I could say something else, but I will be nice. Third Generation American.

What makes you think that those who are sick of hearing foreign languages spoken in public that it's because they want to eavesdrop on other's conversations? Why would they care when they don't even know those people? You make no sense at all.


Wrong! Those of us with common sense do not immediately think that if someone is speaking Spanish that they are here illegally. Many here legally and that are citizens of this country are also adamant about speaking Spanish in public which is why I keep saying that many Hispanics are not assimilating to English out in public even when they know how to speak it.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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What makes you think that those who are sick of hearing foreign languages spoken in public that it's because they want to eavesdrop on other's conversations? Why would they care when they don't even know those people? You make no sense at all.


Wrong! Those of us with common sense do not immediately think that if someone is speaking Spanish that they are here illegally. Many here legally and that are citizens of this country are also adamant about speaking Spanish in public which is why I keep saying that many Hispanics are not assimilating to English out in public even when they know how to speak it.
I fail to understand why you would need to care about the language being spoken in a conversation you're not in?

I get the loud and obnoxious argument - that is true for any language.

But being triggered just by a language? I just don't understand why you would even care, let alone be bothered by it.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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Despite being native born US citizens of the melanin deprived variety, my wife and I usually use Spanish or Dutch while we are out in public for extra privacy from eavesdroppers. If it makes a MAGA type angry, I would consider that a bonus. I can't even begin to understand how someone could get upset at hearing a conversation they aren't a part of in any language.

What makes you think that anyone is interested in the topic of your conversations? They don't even know you! It's having to listen to the foreign babble that they object to while they are trying to enjoy a meal, shop, etc. If one doesn't know English then so be it (such as being a tourist) but knowing English and refusing to speak it in public is rude and arrogant, IMO.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:59 AM
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I fail to understand why you would need to care about the language being spoken in a conversation you're not in?

I get the loud and obnoxious argument - that is true for any language.

But being triggered just by a language? I just don't understand why you would even care, let alone be bothered by it.
He's tiptoeing around it he's mentioned before he hates the "culture" as well. He views Spanish speakers as colonizers is intimidated by them calls it a macho culture.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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What makes you think that anyone is interested in the topic of your conversations? They don't even know you! It's having to listen to the foreign babble that they object to while they are trying to enjoy a meal, shop, etc. If one doesn't know English then so be it (such as being a tourist) but knowing English and refusing to speak it in public is rude and arrogant, IMO.
I'll speak whichever language I damn well please, where it pleases me, and when it pleases me. Deal - or don't, I can't say I much care.

Unless in the theatre. People who speak in the theatre are going to the Special Hell.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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Speaking Spanish or any language is not probable cause to detain someone for suspicion of being an illegal immigrant.
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