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View Poll Results: What should be the first national emergency priority for the next Democrat POTUS
Gun Violence from high capacity weapons 11 17.46%
National Healthcare 28 44.44%
Climate Change 24 38.10%
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Old 02-15-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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You know presidents have been declaring national emergencies since the 1970's. This isn't something unique that Trump is doing.

It is unique. What Trump did was declare an emergency immediately upon the passage of a bill that didn't provide the full authority and funding that he wants. It's Congress' job to write laws and allocate funding; the president's job, in the executive branch, is to administer laws and spend the money. So what Trump is doing is using an emergency to make an end run around the Constitution, and giving him power that he does not have.


If -- and it's a big if -- the courts are objective and non-partisan, they should strike it down.
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Old 02-15-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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There is an emergency at the border. We need to enforce immigration laws, and drug/human trafficking. The Heroin, fentynal etc coming across is killing our people at a very high rate. If we can stop one part of it, then that would be a good thing, correct?
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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I'm very interested to see how the USSC votes on this, it will set a precedence for future national emergence proclamations by the president.
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Taco Tuesdays!
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Since the nation seems poised to go down the road where the POTUS can sidestep congress, what do you think should be the FIRST national emergency priority for the next Democratic president. Given there are many serious issues, you may assume this emergency would not be the only one declared as the others would be expected to eventually follow suit.
Great, another who doesn't understand the meaning of the phrase "national security."

Your borders are a matter of national security. If you don't understand that, then you should seriously consider giving your high school diploma back.
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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There is an emergency at the border. We need to enforce immigration laws, and drug/human trafficking. The Heroin, fentynal etc coming across is killing our people at a very high rate. If we can stop one part of it, then that would be a good thing, correct?
Nope.

This would be like saying that closing Cold Stone Creamery would help the national obesity problem. It won't.

Whether a five gallon bucket has a 4" hole or a 5" hole in the base doesn't really matter when we are talking about this particular subject.

Now, if he declared a very simply edict such as mandatory E-Verify...and then ran that through the courts...I would see your point. That, with BIG penalties for bigger employers and with no allowing pass-throughs (3rd and 4th parties and shell companies)...would actually do something instantly.

This would do NOTHING...ever. Big diff.
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Old 02-15-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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I'm very interested to see how the USSC votes on this, it will set a precedence for future national emergence proclamations by the president.
I wonder. What will they rule on? It seems to me that they wouldn't take a general case on his declaration....which means nothing by itself. What would come up would be the dozens of actions that he might take (stealing land, skirting environmental laws, stealing money from other programs without Congress and so on).

Am I wrong on this?
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Old 02-15-2019, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Well we can have 3 nat emergencies - why limit ?
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:24 PM
 
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We can increase gun regulation (mandatory background checks, gun licensing, serial numbers on bullets) while still preserving the 2nd Amendment. Gun control is not gun confiscation.
serial numbers on bullets??
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:34 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Since the nation seems poised to go down the road where the POTUS can sidestep congress, what do you think should be the FIRST national emergency priority for the next Democratic president. Given there are many serious issues, you may assume this emergency would not be the only one declared as the others would be expected to eventually follow suit.
You need an other choice.
The national emergency is that both major parties are bought and paid for and do not put the needs of the nation above party.

Given the choices provided I would select healthcare coverage.
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