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View Poll Results: What should be the first national emergency priority for the next Democrat POTUS
Gun Violence from high capacity weapons 11 17.46%
National Healthcare 28 44.44%
Climate Change 24 38.10%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-16-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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Yes congress has failed to act for decades, that's why the president declared a national emergency.



Background checks are already performed when buying a firearm.



I don't know what a "high capacity gun" is, but your ban very likely is an infringement and would be thrown out. See United States v. Miller and District of Columbia v. Heller.
How exactly are you going to know complied and who didn't? And where do they live? Maybe their home was broken into recently and their "high capacity" guns were stolen. Your confiscation plan also violates the second, fourth, and tenth amendments.



The money will need to be taken from American taxpayers, at least three trillion dollars more every year than we pay now. Are you willing to pay 3-4 times more in taxes?



What about the 100 million or so Americans who depend on coal fired power? Mass transit won't work either, there won't be any power to run anything. Wind and solar provide intermittent, unreliable power that has to be backed up by a reliable form of generation.
Dozer you are forgetting something.

If Trump can issue a national emergency because he "wants" to. (remember trump said on camera he did not NEED to do it) then dems can do it too because they "want" to... is that means you lose your job, well that is what happens when you support a POTUS grabbing power....

if you don't want the dems doing the same stuff to your church, your k-12 indoctrination centers etc...
well now is the time to say something.....
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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The money will need to be taken from American taxpayers, at least three trillion dollars more every year than we pay now. Are you willing to pay 3-4 times more in taxes?

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Ref your fake claim on universal healthcare.


dude wth are you talking about?


It is not an additional 3.2 Trillion a year, that is the TOTAL COST. we currently spend 3.4 Trillion a year.

so it is LESS MONEY.



I suggest you (dozerbear) do some real world reading outside of these forums. The Koch boys are still kicking themselves for paying for a study that proved it is cheaper for us to have universal care than our current system.



AGAIN.

32 trillion over ten years is lower than 34 trillion over tens years. that really can't be too hard for you to understand. in fact why else are all your trumpy mates avoiding these healthcare points??? why? because they know they can't spin 32 to higher than 34. (and 32 was the HIGHEST number not the one most studies suggest.)
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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About the only legitimate one on that list is climate change. Gun violence is negligible and isolated to few areas of a few major cities. Healthcare is not a right.

30k illegal crossings per month is an issue. And walls still and have always worked, including about border.
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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What will be interesting to watch, is if the Emergency powers act is declared unconstitutional. That seems to be where the battleground will be. The Dems might rejoice if SCUS declares the law unconstitutional, but it could severely limit actions by the next Dem president. If its declared constitutional, it could make every president more like an emperor.
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Well, weapons are protected by the current constitution. Healthcare situation isn't great, but it's like the border issue... not really an emergency situation.... and national healthcare is not the solution. So that only leaves one other one from that list... Eh.. my guess is something related to climate change... like pollution control or something.

Climate change (formally know as Global Warming, that has been kind of a joke in my corner of Wash state this winter)

Climate change in the US has greatly improved over the last couple decades and if anyone disputes that they aren't old enough to remember big city and especially Los Angles smog...
The real problem with Climate Change is pollution coming on the prevailing winds from the Far East manly China and India. Until that problem is solved nothing will change no matter how many wind mills and solar panels are installed in the US. That vast majority of pollution, like plastics which about 90% in the oceans are from the far east.

I have been to China five times and seen million of Chinese citizens wearing their pollution mask and seeing the black snow from coal stoves and power plants. There is no way they will change their pollution problem over the next 10 years.
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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Gun violence doesn’t really affect most middle-class Americans. So, nobody considers it a national emergency.
Throwing the RED BULLCRAP FLAG!

As a strong 2nd Amendment supporter, gun owner and CCW permit holder, I say that gun violence affects everyone regardless of socioeconomic status, sex, race or religion!

Gun control is not the answer and will never work. Legal gun owners with background checks, with few exceptions (like the murderer in Aurora yesterday--BUT, boy are the local cops back peddling on that one) are not the problem.

It's illegal, and stolen, guns that, along with the high rate of crime in many lib run urban areas that is the problem
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Now that the flood-gates have been opened, they will probably declare emergency to fund all their pet projects like universal healthcare, and education, while de-funding GOP pet projects etc.

Flood gates already were open. Obama made 13 National Emergency declarations for important things like civil war in Burundi & South Sudan, but not on our own border.


As for their childish threats of using it to get back at Republican voters & steamroll their agenda through...what makes anyone think they weren't already planning to do that? Are we to nelieve while brainstorming how to conjure up $42 trillion for the Green New Deal that none of them ever considered it? Trump's that much smarter than them?


I see this as a great positive. Yesterday Nancy Pelosi was on TV rambling about how important it is for Congress to do their jobs on funding & declaring wars, and not ceding that to the POTUS. I couldn't believe my ears. Imagine my happiness if Congress passes an order that forces them to do their jobs & the SCOTUS rules these N.E.'s are unconstitutional? No more undeclared wars, no more National Emergency declarations as work-arounds? That would be perhaps the biggest accomplishment of the Trump Admin.
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:18 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Hey, just like Obama.

"I've got a pen".

https://washington.cbslocal.com/2014...e-got-a-phone/
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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What will be interesting to watch, is if the Emergency powers act is declared unconstitutional. That seems to be where the battleground will be. The Dems might rejoice if SCUS declares the law unconstitutional, but it could severely limit actions by the next Dem president. If its declared constitutional, it could make every president more like an emperor.
It won't be declared unconstitutional.

A President's powers are defined by three sources.

The first source is the US Constitution, the second source is extra-constitutional powers, and the third is powers inherently the right of a sovereign.

That's not my opinion, that's the US Supreme Court talking in about a dozen opinions issued since the Truman Administration, when it was first addressed, with the most recent opinion coming during the Bush Administration in 2005.

Extra-constitutional sources are the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress and the Stamp Tax Congress, in addition to the inherent powers of a sovereign.

The US Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that a US President has all the powers as defined in the US Constitution, plus all the powers stemming from extra-Constitutional sources, plus all the powers inherent to a sovereign, except those powers expressly forbidden or denied by the Constitution.

For example, the power to declare war is an inherent power of a sovereign, but the Constitution expressly denies the sovereign that power and gives it to Congress instead.

Taxation is also a power inherent to a sovereign, but again, the Constitution expressly denies the sovereign that power and gives it to the Congress.

Engaging in treaties is also an inherent right of a sovereign, but the US Constitution denies the President that right and gives the Senate the power to bind the US to treaties.

A President is charged with the duty of national security, and can legally take any action short of declaring war.

A President could declare a national emergency (or not), mobilize the military, including calling up Reserves and the National Guard, and deploy them on the Mexican border, and there ain't a damn thing anybody can legally do about it.

So long as the military did not cross the border, there's no issue. If the military crossed the border, that would be a violation of Mexico's sovereignty and an inherent act of war, which is a de facto declaration of war, and that would be illegal, unless Congress declared war on Mexico.

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Now that the flood-gates have been opened, they will probably declare emergency to fund all their pet projects like universal healthcare, and education, while de-funding GOP pet projects etc.
Learn the meaning of "national security" and get back to us.
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Old 02-16-2019, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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the highway death toll.
Make the age for the first driving license 25. require a 6 month driver's education class for everybody. 9 months for a CDL. After the second accident, or the first if a fatality was involved, forbid the person who was at fault from driving for life.


Of course, one should always be careful what one wishes for! One just might get it, and may not like it when it happens.
Bummer...
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