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Old 02-16-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by chopchop0 View Post
Not really when our own govt is essentially beholden to the NRA and won't enforce laws that are already on the books.

The right-wing answer is of course more guns
So, the state and federal government, under Democrat control, failed to enforce the laws, yet this is Trump's and the NRA's fault?

I bet you b**ch and complain though when Trump is actually enforcing immigration laws...
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Some states allow fully auto weapons. Federal allows anyone over 21. That auto weapon has to be previously registered through BATFE prior to 86. You can buy them. They cost 15 to 25k for M16s. You will buy it, then have it transfered to you with a ATF backgroumd check done through FBI. Only you can use it, unless someone else using it is with you. And to travel out 8f state you need t8 notify atf.
By the way, as of 86 no automat7c weapons can be sold from a manufacturer to civilian. Sort of.

All true but was the poster trying to say that automatic weapons are the problem? How many shootings have there been where automatic weapons have been used?
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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Not really when our own govt is essentially beholden to the NRA and won't enforce laws that are already on the books.

The right-wing answer is of course more guns
LOL. Our elected officials are bought by many lobbyists but the NRA is so far down the list with their $5 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i

Those are billions with a B.


Here's the entire gun rights lobby at under $12 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/in...ent.php?id=Q13
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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So, in 2014, the government at the state and federal level, all Democrat, failed to keep this person from buying a gun, yet somehow it is Trump's fault in 2019?
Yeah, the more I read some posts around here I have to wonder if the russian bots are back trying to create positive spin for republicans with utterly ridiculous claims.

Anyway, waiting now for CNN to start running articles about the shooting reporting that the shooter wore a MAGA hat....
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: MS
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So, in 2014, the government at the state and federal level, all Democrat, failed to keep this person from buying a gun, yet somehow it is Trump's fault in 2019?
And in 2019, the government at the state level found out that he should not own a gun and wrote him a sternly worded letter about it. Chopchop0, please explain how that is a problem at the federal level. It was the state and local authorities that dropped the ball. If it had been California, the pre-crime department would have been kicking his door in instead of writing a letter.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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LOL. Our elected officials are bought by many lobbyists but the NRA is so far down the list with their $5 million.

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i

Those are billions with a B.
It's almost as if that poster is intentionally teeing it up for you to knock out of the park.
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:06 PM
 
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In this case the man was completely innocent of anything regarding this crime...until the gun was seen in his hands (well, we'd need PROOF first) and then he shot people.

Actually, he is still innocent of any crime.
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Yes, there is a WHOLE LOT of incentive NOT to murder someone...but if someone is willing to deal with the consequences, not much anyone can do to prevent them from carrying it out.


There have been tough laws against murder for decades...but people STILL commit this crime all the time, prisons are filled with convicted murderers.
And yet these dolts think more laws will help...SMH
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:11 PM
 
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How disappointed are liberals that the shooter wasn’t a white male?

They unsubscribed immediately.....from this thread.
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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Maybe a fingerprint check system linked to FBI for every purchase of a gun. Better than a piece of paper, 4473 that you can lie on..
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