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Old 02-18-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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when Obama declared his EO on DACA bypassing Congress where was the NYT, WP, ACLU and the rest of the liberals about protecting the constitution?


When Congress told Obama "NO" on Syria and he went there anyway.....where were these defenders of the Constitution?..... The list is long.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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It's really that simple.

One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.
I'm an enemy. Why is it that the Constitution is seen as a Holy Grail?
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:10 PM
 
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The policy driving the declaration of emergency is not the wall. The POLICY is national security. Securing the border is part of the national security strategy. The wall is a means to an end.

As chief executive and commander in chief, it is Trump's duty to execute the national security strategy. He can use the DoD budget to build the wall and there isn't squat congress or the courts can do about it unless they intend to amend the constitution.
I think you might be surprised.
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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I am honestly even shocked that he is pulling through on this promise. I've even stated on here that I didn't think it would happen because, thats how much faith I have in campaign promises.
I didn't vote for Trump, but I must grudgingly concede that unlike other candidates he is, by and large, honoring his campaign promises:
  1. Pulling out of the Iran Deal (JCPOA);
  2. Pulling out of the Climate Shakedown, err, Paris Accords;
  3. Renegotiating NAFTA;
  4. Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel; and
  5. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
Not too shabby a record and only 1/4 way through his likely mandate as President.
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Well duh, of course, its not an 'emergency' to them, after all, they have to ensure the drugs keep flowing in consistently, cannot wage a justifiable drug war thru out the country if the supply is reduced or stopped.


Plus, many smaller police depts rely on budget money for the drug war, along with stuff they get from raids, busts, cash and property seizures, that are auctioned off, reducing or stopping the flow of drugs into these areas would be devastating to the depts and their families.
O your saying those along the border want drugs in America because they make money off it?
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Old 02-18-2019, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Well duh, of course, its not an 'emergency' to them, after all, they have to ensure the drugs keep flowing in consistently, cannot wage a justifiable drug war thru out the country if the supply is reduced or stopped.


Plus, many smaller police depts rely on budget money for the drug war, along with stuff they get from raids, busts, cash and property seizures, that are auctioned off, reducing or stopping the flow of drugs into these areas would be devastating to the depts and their families.
You mean the drugs that get caught at ports of entry right? Trump's own HHS and DEA said that.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:03 PM
 
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From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, to freezing the assets of American citizens, President Trump can wield enormous power under the guise of a national emergency.

Congress saw fit to grant these powers to a sitting President, signed into law by Ford in 1976. Of course when they did that they were naive enough to believe that we'd always have a rational, responsible leader at the helm.

Apparently they never thought about the fact that this loophole could be a dream come true for a President with fascist leanings like Trump.

Mark my words, this won't stop with this first Emergency declaration to go around Congress to get his way. He has a taste for it now.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...powers/576418/
Even still there is a system of checks and balances that has to be followed as to where they are thinking of obtaining these funds from. For example, it has to go through the Secretary of Defense.
As an example if they use military construction funds.
Quote:
Construction Authority in the Event of a Declaration of War or National
Emergency (10 U.S.C. §2808)
In the event of a declaration of war or national emergency requiring the use of the Armed Forces,
Section 2808 permits the Secretary of Defense to initiate or to authorize the military secretaries to
carry out military construction projects not yet authorized by statute. Any unobligated military
construction or family housing appropriations may be used for construction projects that are
“necessary to support such use of the armed forces.†The Secretary of Defense must report his
decision to use Section 2808 authority to Congress, along with the projects’ estimated costs,
including any associated real estate transactions. The authority terminates at the end of the war or
national emergency.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R4471...tPnwbOyOs1aEUw

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I didn't vote for Trump, but I must grudgingly concede that unlike other candidates he is, by and large, honoring his campaign promises:
  1. Pulling out of the Iran Deal (JCPOA);
  2. Pulling out of the Climate Shakedown, err, Paris Accords;
  3. Renegotiating NAFTA;
  4. Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel; and
  5. Moving the embassy to Jerusalem.
Not too shabby a record and only 1/4 way through his likely mandate as President.
That's one thing that is making more people support him. That he is honoring his promises. Which is huge. Especially when it was his big talking points.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:12 PM
 
Location: New York
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when Obama declared his EO on DACA bypassing Congress where was the NYT, WP, ACLU and the rest of the liberals about protecting the constitution?


When Congress told Obama "NO" on Syria and he went there anyway.....where were these defenders of the Constitution?..... The list is long.
Where was Old Gringo and the rest of the tribe?

Last time I checked this is a sovereign nation which has 20M foreign invaders, 60% of whom are raping our generous welfare system and stealing identities to work which is a felony BTW.

DACA people need to have a path to being legal, but the DNC is more interested in using them as bargaining chips than actually fixing the problem. Betrayed again, kids.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:20 PM
 
Location: New York
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You mean the drugs that get caught at ports of entry right? Trump's own HHS and DEA said that.

Some of the biggest drug busts happened over the last few weeks.


Tell us, oh genie who knows all, what percentage of drugs make it through non-entry points?


You can't, I can't, nobody can because you do not know what you do not know.


I guarantee there are far more tons making it through the open borders than through the ports. But that is a fact which is completely ignored by the disingenuous anti-wall herd. HHS, DEA, USBP, and ICE have all said we need 2-300 miles of new barriers. The left chooses to ignore that as well.


If walls don't work, how can they be killing people?


Common sense abandoned.
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Old 02-18-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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It's really that simple.

One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.
Then perhaps someone should pursue a legal challenge to the National Emergencies Act and attempt to get it invalidated in the Supreme Court. You were also upset when Obama used it 13 times, I presume?
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