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Old 02-19-2019, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Do you have a better idea which would actually work?
No one seems to be coming up with viable alternatives.
He did but unfortunately it was more complicated than the great negotiator realized.


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Old 02-19-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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Not for 330 million people a diverse as the United States, nor with a political system so thoroughly corrupted as ours.
Diversity shouldn't be a problem, corruption of course destroys everything it touches.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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What happened to this big idea?



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Old 02-19-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Sure, just force the US average income earners to pay a 45% national tax rate, as do European countries.

The effective national tax rate is in the second from the right column on page 9:

http://www.institutmolinari.org/IMG/...en-eu-2017.pdf

If you think you or anyone else thinks they can convince the average US income earner to pay a 45% effective federal tax rate, feel free to do so. We'll see if that happens...
Do I also get enough Universal Basic Income to cover the cost?
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sure.
Just push harder since some people, the *******s, don't want to push at all for the benefit of the entire village
If the entire village doesn't contribute to the cost of such benefits, the entire village doesn't get such benefits. That's fair.
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Not good with analogies, eh?
Some people, maybe the old, can't be expected to shove a rock up a hill
Just as people who are paying the majority of their income (which is artificially repressed so others can have cheap goods) for food and shelter can't be expected to pay into the healthcare system
Explain why both seniors and the disabled actually DO pay federal income tax if they're supposedly oh so incapacitated.

Again... If the entire village doesn't contribute to the cost of such benefits, the entire village doesn't get such benefits. That's fair.
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I don't know if you're purposefully misleading people or too dumb to understand.

Yes, the government would pay an additional 3.2 billion.
It's an additional $3.2 trillion each year. That's the 2nd time I've had to correct you. You can't comprehend the enormity of the problem because you fail to understand the basic math.
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Currently, the people are paying 3.5 billion.
The people would pay 3.5 billion less
Again, with the billion instead of trillion mistake.

Give the details... Exactly WHO would pay less? And exactly to WHOM would the new $3.2 trillion worth of tax bills needed to fund MfA be apportioned?
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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How long has Medicare been running? Why aren't right-wingers yelling, "Get rid of my Medicare!"
Seniors have to PAY for their Medicare in the form of premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and there are many things that aren't even covered. And that's AFTER pre-paying decades worth of Medicare premiums via the Medicare payroll tax.

I'd suggest the Medicare for All crowd propose a buy-in into Medicare, since seniors don't get it for free. Post your buy-in proposal.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It all comes out in the wash. Either we pay through increased insurance premiums caused by high medical bills of obese along with the hefty profits of insurance companies, or we pay for the medical care directly.
It doesn't come out in the wash. Why do healthy people have to pay extra to pay for fat people's health care? Here's, yet again, ANOTHER example of how the responsible are punished and the irresponsible are rewarded by showering them with other people's money. That's unacceptable.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Do I also get enough Universal Basic Income to cover the cost?
No. Finland tried that. It failed.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Why do you think geography and diversity make it harder in the US to administer healthcare?
Number of markets alone make a national solution unreasonable.

Expectation vs population density in different areas? Amount of services available and delivered in different markets? Demographics being wildly different across the 1500+ separate markets?

The US presents wildly different logistical issues than almost any other country.

Didn't we have a thread on the injustice of the person living in the country not having the same level of healthcare access as those dwelling in cities, and how this must be addressed by minting a new army of doctors and nurses, along with building hospitals everywhere?

It's a political, logistical nightmare that once induced, we will never wake up from.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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It doesn't come out in the wash. Why do healthy people have to pay extra to pay for fat people's health care? Here's, yet again, ANOTHER example of how the responsible are punished and the irresponsible are rewarded by showering them with other people's money. That's unacceptable.
Your bubble is quite opaque. Sorry, we live in a "society". I pay extra auto insurance premium for uninsured drivers, because some people will be irresponsible, that is a fact of life.
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