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Old 02-17-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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Law of Self Defense: ISIS Brings Knife to Gunfight, Gets Shot

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in Arizona has released, under court order, the body camera footage of Sheriff’s Deputy Brandon Wells, who stopped accused ISIS knife attacker Ismail Hamed the old-fashioned way—by demonstrating once again why it’s not a good idea to bring a knife to a gunfight. Hamed now stands charged by Arizona authorities with aggravated assault and terrorism.

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At one point during the exchange the Deputy asks Hamed for identification, at which point Hamed throws some stones at the Deputy, pulls out a knife, and begins to close proximity. The Deputy draws his Glock and puts the muzzle on Hamed, repeatedly ordering him to drop the knife as the Deputy continuously backs up as Hamed advances.

The Deputy cautions Hamed that he will shoot him, in response to which Hamed urges the Deputy to do just that. Apparently having concluded that the use of deadly force was now appropriate the Deputy fires twice. Hamed appears struck by the rounds and he falls to the ground, after which backup arrives and his arrest is made.


Would it have been wrong to finish him off?

He certainly would have did it to him... Now we are spending medical resources on him in order to spend time and money prosecuting him.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Law of Self Defense: ISIS Brings Knife to Gunfight, Gets Shot

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in Arizona has released, under court order, the body camera footage of Sheriff’s Deputy Brandon Wells, who stopped accused ISIS knife attacker Ismail Hamed the old-fashioned way—by demonstrating once again why it’s not a good idea to bring a knife to a gunfight. Hamed now stands charged by Arizona authorities with aggravated assault and terrorism.

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At one point during the exchange the Deputy asks Hamed for identification, at which point Hamed throws some stones at the Deputy, pulls out a knife, and begins to close proximity. The Deputy draws his Glock and puts the muzzle on Hamed, repeatedly ordering him to drop the knife as the Deputy continuously backs up as Hamed advances.

The Deputy cautions Hamed that he will shoot him, in response to which Hamed urges the Deputy to do just that. Apparently having concluded that the use of deadly force was now appropriate the Deputy fires twice. Hamed appears struck by the rounds and he falls to the ground, after which backup arrives and his arrest is made.


Would it have been wrong to finish him off?

He certainly would have did it to him... Now we are spending medical resources on him in order to spend time and money prosecuting him.
Yes, it would have been wrong to "finish" him off, police officers, at least most of them, are not murders, and if this police officer would have continued to shoot after the threat was over, then this would have been nothing more that just that, a murder. This officer fired 2 rounds to stop this person, and that is what happens. No matter who you are, what you have done, or even how many people you have killed, in this country you are entitled to due process. No police officer is judge, jury and executioner.
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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Too bad the officer didn’t send both rounds into the terrorist’s upper left chest.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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The guy was a whacko. He called the cops to say he was pledging allegiance to ISIS and then asked the police to come over. Who knows if he was really a member of ISIS. The cop did what he had to but clearly the guy is mentally ill.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:31 AM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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If the assailant lived, he'd've stood trial, and if found guilty, sent to prison. For certain kinds of criminals, a life sentence is worth than death - if you know what I mean. Executing him would just create a martyr in any case.
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Old 02-18-2019, 12:57 AM
 
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If the assailant lived, he'd've stood trial, and if found guilty, sent to prison. For certain kinds of criminals, a life sentence is worth than death - if you know what I mean. Executing him would just create a martyr in any case.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Law of Self Defense: ISIS Brings Knife to Gunfight, Gets Shot

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office in Arizona has released, under court order, the body camera footage of Sheriff’s Deputy Brandon Wells, who stopped accused ISIS knife attacker Ismail Hamed the old-fashioned way—by demonstrating once again why it’s not a good idea to bring a knife to a gunfight. Hamed now stands charged by Arizona authorities with aggravated assault and terrorism.

...
At one point during the exchange the Deputy asks Hamed for identification, at which point Hamed throws some stones at the Deputy, pulls out a knife, and begins to close proximity. The Deputy draws his Glock and puts the muzzle on Hamed, repeatedly ordering him to drop the knife as the Deputy continuously backs up as Hamed advances.

The Deputy cautions Hamed that he will shoot him, in response to which Hamed urges the Deputy to do just that. Apparently having concluded that the use of deadly force was now appropriate the Deputy fires twice. Hamed appears struck by the rounds and he falls to the ground, after which backup arrives and his arrest is made.


Would it have been wrong to finish him off?

He certainly would have did it to him... Now we are spending medical resources on him in order to spend time and money prosecuting him.
The threat was neutralized. No need to kill him.
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Old 02-18-2019, 05:04 AM
 
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If the assailant lived, he'd've stood trial, and if found guilty, sent to prison. For certain kinds of criminals, a life sentence is worth than death - if you know what I mean. Executing him would just create a martyr in any case.
Better a dead martyr than a live terrorist.
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Old 02-18-2019, 05:14 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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The cop was a pro.

Nothing to see here.

Glad to see this over policing for profit which is all too common.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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Yes, it would have been wrong to "finish" him off, police officers, at least most of them, are not murders, and if this police officer would have continued to shoot after the threat was over, then this would have been nothing more that just that, a murder. This officer fired 2 rounds to stop this person, and that is what happens. No matter who you are, what you have done, or even how many people you have killed, in this country you are entitled to due process. No police officer is judge, jury and executioner.
I know you are right in principle... just frustrated in dealing with these people. I do have a problem spending money and resources on people who tell you plainly that they are enemies of the country... who would likely do the same thing if he were nursed back to health and set free.

I'm also getting weary of the mental health argument. I bet many of these mental cases would straighten themselves out pronto if we dealt with them more stringently and quickly.
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