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Old 02-18-2019, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...a-hard-n971536

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...zona-hard.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bet...outhern-border

If it were up to Beto depending on his views that day and who he talks to, he would open up the walls completely and let drug traffickers come up anytime and anywhere they want.

Democrats in general are doing all they can want to rapidly increase the flow of drugs trafficked in by illegal aliens, so they can claim that money is needed for the opiod epidemic so they can increase taxes and create jobs for people with degrees from underemployed liberal arts college graduates to hire as "navigators" and "social support specialists" etc.

So incredible that we have a President and Commander and Chief that is doing everything in his power to stop flow of smuggled in drugs straight from Mexico.

Arizona is basically in a crisis which is understandable because of our very weak borders and massive rush of drug trafficking illegal aliens.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Most drugs enter the US via the legal border crossings used by more than a million people a day. Wall will not prevent the massive flow of people and vehicles from legally entering the US.

Plenty of US people travel to Mexico for the primary purpose of buying prescription medications on the cheap. No reasonable way distinguish counterfeit medications from the real thing.

There is nothing factual that illegal aliens are the primary traffickers of illegal drugs.

According to the link, someone at a party was handing out blue pills for recreational use , thought to be Oxy.

Instead, the pills were Fentanyl.

Somewhere in all of this is a lack of personal responsibility for one’s own choices and consequences.
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:14 AM
 
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Most drugs enter the US via the legal border crossings used by more than a million people a day. Wall will not prevent the massive flow of people and vehicles from legally entering the US.

Plenty of US people travel to Mexico for the primary purpose of buying prescription medications on the cheap. No reasonable way distinguish counterfeit medications from the real thing.

There is nothing factual that illegal aliens are the primary traffickers of illegal drugs.

According to the link, someone at a party was handing out blue pills for recreational use , thought to be Oxy.

Instead, the pills were Fentanyl.

Somewhere in all of this is a lack of personal responsibility for one’s own choices and consequences.
Im a bit skeptical about that part of it, Ive been an opioid addict, pills and then heroin, Ive bought and used both Oxy and Fentanyl numerous times in the past...Im sorry, but someone just does not hand out oxys or fentanyl tabs, they are too expensive (fentanyl especially!!!)


Just a little note on how much these pills go for on the street, Oxy 80s sell for around $120-$160 per pill, Fentanyl 'stickies' sell for around $80-$100, more potent Fentanyl 'lollipops' can reach $200 each.
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Old 02-19-2019, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Im a bit skeptical about that part of it, Ive been an opioid addict, pills and then heroin, Ive bought and used both Oxy and Fentanyl numerous times in the past...Im sorry, but someone just does not hand out oxys or fentanyl tabs, they are too expensive (fentanyl especially!!!)


Just a little note on how much these pills go for on the street, Oxy 80s sell for around $120-$160 per pill, Fentanyl 'stickies' sell for around $80-$100, more potent Fentanyl 'lollipops' can reach $200 each.
Drugs are cut and recut, mixed and matched.

Especially among younger/casual drug users.

And at a party? Back in my day (1980s/90s) nobody knew what they were taking.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Im a bit skeptical about that part of it, Ive been an opioid addict, pills and then heroin, Ive bought and used both Oxy and Fentanyl numerous times in the past...Im sorry, but someone just does not hand out oxys or fentanyl tabs, they are too expensive (fentanyl especially!!!)


Just a little note on how much these pills go for on the street, Oxy 80s sell for around $120-$160 per pill, Fentanyl 'stickies' sell for around $80-$100, more potent Fentanyl 'lollipops' can reach $200 each.
Prices are subject to supply and demand and vary by geography

The third link is a copy of a local new story. According to it, a young woman was paid $200 to transport 1000 blue pills through one of the Nogales border crossings. Reportedly, she gave two pills of Percocet to the kid who died. Obviously, the pills were comprised of other substances.

Imagine it’s easy to confirm the trafficker’s crossing and who was on duty.

No wall is going to stop the flow of drugs so long there is a huge demand in the US.

It’s a consume at your own risk, thing.

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Old 02-19-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Drugs are cut and recut, mixed and matched.

Especially among younger/casual drug users.

And at a party? Back in my day (1980s/90s) nobody knew what they were taking.
Heroin is, as you say, cut and recut at many points in the supply chain. It serves no purpose to kill off your repeat customers. It’s slop.

I was in high school in the 70’s. No one had a clue what was in the drugs they consumed. Did not stop kids from using.

I could not wrap my head around it then or now.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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Im a bit skeptical about that part of it, Ive been an opioid addict, pills and then heroin, Ive bought and used both Oxy and Fentanyl numerous times in the past...Im sorry, but someone just does not hand out oxys or fentanyl tabs, they are too expensive (fentanyl especially!!!)


Just a little note on how much these pills go for on the street, Oxy 80s sell for around $120-$160 per pill, Fentanyl 'stickies' sell for around $80-$100, more potent Fentanyl 'lollipops' can reach $200 each.
I thought that one of the reasons fentanyl is an epidemic was because in 'drug' world terms it was inexpensive.....making it easy for folks to get it.

That's part of the stuff 'they' tell us.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:49 AM
 
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I thought that one of the reasons fentanyl is an epidemic was because in 'drug' world terms it was inexpensive.....making it easy for folks to get it.

That's part of the stuff 'they' tell us.
They used to say heroin was cheap too...the only time it was cheap, was around the time the tough prescription drug laws took effect, but this was temporary. When I stopped using, Mexican brown powder heroin was going for $150-180 per gram (more valuable than gold!)


The average heroin addict uses about 3-4 grams per day.



Fentanyl is nowhere close to being a cheap street drug, its extremely powerful...on the street, that means the price is going to be HIGH, for a comparison, Vicodin/Hydrocodone is a fairly weak opioid, and only fetches about $2. per pill, when I was using, there are hardly any demand for Vicodins, they were just not strong enough to even bother with.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Drugs are cut and recut, mixed and matched.

Especially among younger/casual drug users.

And at a party? Back in my day (1980s/90s) nobody knew what they were taking.
No mechanisms to ensure quality in a black market.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:18 AM
 
Location: North America
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...a-hard-n971536

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...zona-hard.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bet...outhern-border

If it were up to Beto depending on his views that day and who he talks to, he would open up the walls completely and let drug traffickers come up anytime and anywhere they want.

Democrats in general are doing all they can want to rapidly increase the flow of drugs trafficked in by illegal aliens, so they can claim that money is needed for the opiod epidemic so they can increase taxes and create jobs for people with degrees from underemployed liberal arts college graduates to hire as "navigators" and "social support specialists" etc.

So incredible that we have a President and Commander and Chief that is doing everything in his power to stop flow of smuggled in drugs straight from Mexico.

Arizona is basically in a crisis which is understandable because of our very weak borders and massive rush of drug trafficking illegal aliens.
Through legal ports of entry per the DEA.
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