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Old 02-18-2019, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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On Friday, Trump said:

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“I didn’t need to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster.”
I am sure his advisers and lawyers were cringing when he said that as it amounts to an admission that it is not an emergency at all. And 16 states have now filed a suit against his BS emergency, citing his statement as evidence it is really a battle between Trump and Congress, and not an emergency at all. How stupid can the guy be? I am sure his lawyers told him what to say, but did he listen? Not Trump, the self-professed genius.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/u...its-trump.html
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:33 PM
 
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Naw, no one is going to care. He is going to be able to make his case just based on the amount of fentanyl coming over the border alone. Or at least, he would in any fully funcional republic not half taken over by traitors. In any event, the issue will be decided by on merit when it gets to the Supreme Court.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:36 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Naw, no one is going to care. He is going to be able to make his case just based on the amount of fentanyl coming over the border alone. Or at least, he would in any fully funcional republic not half taken over by traitors. In any event, the issue will be decided by on merit when it gets to the Supreme Court.
Wall will not stop the fentanyl, wake up and smell the coffee.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:20 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Yeah, and after Trump said he "really didn't need to do it," he went into this sing-song litany of all the court challenges he will be faced with, ending up with the Supreme Court. Now, I'm sure Brett Kavanaugh will wriggle on his belly like a beaten hound to assure TRump of his undying loyalty, but all of the various court challenges will be time consuming and it's highly unlikely that Trump will get his vanity project even started by 2020, never mind finished.

Oh, and then Trump immediately took off golfing after his "emergency" speech. How very presidential, and what a great way to underline the severity of the "emergency." Trump would give anything to become dictator - thank God he is too much of an ineffectual bumbling fool to pull it off.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:25 PM
 
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Wall will not stop the fentanyl, wake up and smell the coffee.
Thats obvious to everyone, but they have to make it 'look' like they are trying to reduce or stop the flow, its all about the optics...


After all, if we really got down to brass tacks with all the heroin, and now Fentanyl coming in, why has the agencies responsible for this, not been doing their jobs, why are they SO incredibly ineffective? DEA claimed to know how 90% of the drugs enter the US...OK, so they know this for a fact, why is it all still flowing in so consistently then? LOL
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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That statement did no such thing, OP. He didn't need to do it, but that in no way takes away from an argument of an emergency. Indeed, had Congress done their job and funded what they already authorized back in 2006, President Trump would not have to do what he did. But they didn't and, so, he did. You see how easy that is to work around?

Now, I don't know where I stand on the emergency as I didn't read the legislation authorizing the president to declare certain emergencies and redirect funds (there are over 100 instances where POTUS can declare an emergency). I honestly wish more people would talk about this particular point vs. general principles of separation of power (indeed, Congress gave the president the authority to declare national emergencies in over 100 cases . . . the only question is whether this case is covered by existing law).
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:18 AM
 
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Fortunately the case the OP is making is the equivalent to pounding sand. Turning small grains of sand into even smaller grains of sand can be accomplished if one remains fixated on the goal. Similarly grabbing a single thread and holding tightly to it hoping it will unravel an entire garment may be what people do but its not the standard for what courts do.
The word "need" itself opens up the door and has more than single usage and meaning. If there is a question as to the meaning of the statement, the person who made the statement, would be the one to clarify it and not anyone else. In context there are several ways to perceive what is meant, applicable, and germane.
All this is overlooked by the OP's opinion as if hanging on to a single thread will decide the outcome.

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Old 02-19-2019, 02:33 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Naw, no one is going to care. He is going to be able to make his case just based on the amount of fentanyl coming over the border alone. Or at least, he would in any fully funcional republic not half taken over by traitors. In any event, the issue will be decided by on merit when it gets to the Supreme Court.
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Wall will not stop the fentanyl, wake up and smell the coffee.

Fentanyl comes over the border, because there are so many people on this side, who will buy it. That problem needs to be solved and then the border will be a moot issue, as far as that drug is concerned. Trying to fix it at the border, is like trying to stop a major flood with a few sandbags.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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16 State's attorney generals have filed law suits against Trump, based on Constitutional Grounds. All of these states are more or less Democratic Party strongholds. The initial reaction will probably depend on which Federal Court jurisdiction these challenges are filed. My guess is that at least half of these challenges will result in temporary actions to enjoin the President from taking further action.

If so, it will be a long road up through the Federal Court System. Unless the US Supreme Court decides to review a lower court quickly, by means of issuing writ of certiorari...if that is their wish.

It will be interesting to see how, and for how long, this plays out.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:03 AM
 
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16 State's attorney generals have filed law suits against Trump, based on Constitutional Grounds. All of these states are more or less Democratic Party strongholds. The initial reaction will probably depend on which Federal Court jurisdiction these challenges are filed. My guess is that at least half of these challenges will result in temporary actions to enjoin the President from taking further action.

If so, it will be a long road up through the Federal Court System. Unless the US Supreme Court decides to review a lower court quickly, by means of issuing writ of certiorari...if that is their wish.

It will be interesting to see how, and for how long, this plays out.
Indeed. That is the checks and balances at work.
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