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I doubt there will be one liberal who reads this out here, though I hope some of the more rational posters on the left give it a go. This is a good summation of what happened.
Not at all. No, none, zero proof of any collusion. Lot’s of proof of an attempted coup. Bias is irrelevant with proof. I am just surprised at how infuriated, flummoxed, apoplectic the same old political establishment. Still no proof.
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Originally Posted by burdell
But, does knowing the writer's bias, in this case being the author of The Case for Trump, make for an unbiased view of today?
This article does a a great job of pointing out how top level DOJ and FBI officials along with the DNC, Never Trumpers in both parties, and even the mainstream media conspired together to push anything they could find or use (whether by legal means or not) to take the President down. We're literally talking the biggest political scandal and government abuse of power and weaponization of government to illegally spy on an opposing political party in the history of this country and barely a peep from the mainstream media.
The details of this scandal are shocking. Even more shocking is the fact that despite documented congressional testimony and a documented paper trail proving an illicit conspiracy by the FBI, DOJ, previous administration, and other anti-Trumpers the mainstream media refuses to report on ANY of it. Not only that, they continue to aggressively push a Trump/russia/Russia collusion conspiracy without even the tiniest shred of actual supporting evidence. Not only is there no corrobarating evidence of Trump/Russian collusion, there is more and more documented evidence of Hillary, the DNC, and their allies in the FBI and DOJ of colluding with the Russians to affect the 2016 election. As so often turns out to be the case, Democrats are accusing Trump and the GOP of the very crimes they themselves are guilty of.
For anyone in the anti-Trump crowd still buying the completely debunked Trump/Russia collusion hoax or anyone who is interested in hearing the other side of the collusion story that isn't being reported on much less being challenged by the mainstream media should check out Dan Bongino's podcast. He and others have done incredible work piecing together the timeline and the FBI/DOJ/DNC players involved in the spygate scandal. Multiple lives ruined financially and reputation wise by a special counsel with an unlimited budget charging subjects with process crimes and then forcing them to go bankrupt defending themselves all for the ultimate crime of daring to support the Trump campaign. Process crimes which FBI/DOJ officials themselves can commit with impunity while charging others with the same thing in order to force them to compose and make up dirt on Trump. Third world banana republic type tactics that Democrats and their sycophants all over the media once decried but now openly and enthusiastically support in this new age of "Orange Man bad!!!"
Yeah Yeah yeah yada tell us something we don't know.
I want to see the Trump Administration and Lindsey Graham do something about it.
Just look at the softball questions McCabe got the other day in his interview.
He should have had Clinton Foundation donations and his wife's dealings crammed down his throat but no worries... This is what Lindsey Graham and company are preparing for.
Maybe one day something will come of this before we lose our Country.
"In May 2017, acting FBI director Andrew McCabe took over from the fired Comey. His candidate wife recently had been a recipient of huge Clinton-related campaign PAC donations shortly before he began investigating the Clinton email scandal. McCabe would soon be cited by the Inspector General for lying to federal investigators on numerous occasions—cynically stooping even to lie to his own New York FBI subordinates to invest scarce resources to hunt for their own nonexistent leaks as a mechanism for disguising his own quite real and illegal leaking."
Why did the Justice department fire McCabe? The I.G. report determined that McCabe lacked candor when discussing with the Justice department about authorizing an aide to talk to The Wall Street journal about the FBI's probe into the Clinton foundation. Judiciary chair Bob Goodlatte (R) said "American's deserve honesty from their government, especially those who work to secure justice..." Source: npr Justice Department Details Case Against Fired Deputy FBI Director McCabe. Okay I agree, but I also agree that a president who lies to the American people should be held to the same standard ya think?
You can lie and twist and spin this into some pathetic deep state conspiracy, but it doesn't negate the convictions and co-operations climbing up the food chain and nipping at Trump's heels. Do you include the SDNY, the District of Columbia, the New York State and other AG's the Eastern District of Virginia, and Jeff Session's himself when he said that there wasn't enough evidence to go after Hillary Clinton? What, lets lock her up anyway? Going after a political adversary without any evidence is about as swampy deep state as you can get and dictator wanna be would like nothing more.
Convictions speak for themselves, but lets just ignore that and focus on lame conspiracy theories shall we? Nyet!
pravda vyydet.
In a rational society with an objective media, this would be one of the biggest stories of the century. However, it gets a "yawn" from the left, as they support such acts of treason.
Imagine if this had happened to a dem president?
Indeed
The media would be apoplectic demanding investigations and looking for heads to roll.
Aside from Comey, McCabe, Brennen and others being named/involved, why is Lynch never mentioned
She has been up to her eyeballs with covering for Hillary's crimes, and undoubtedly in the know (if not directly involved) with trying to scuttle Trump.
Yet you never hear a word about her.
The FBI has no mandate to invoke or attempt to influence those who would vote to remove a sitting president, so lets start with that.
Beyond that, the "insurance policy" was clearly using a false accusation based on the opposition party promoting the fake report about Trump & the Russians.
They knew it was tainted, yet still presented it to a FISA court and concealed that fact to get the ball rolling.
Try getting out of your partisan mindset for a minute and just imagine if the FBI did any of this against Bill Clinton or Barak Obama, and think how much different you'd be feeling about it.
It's fascinating to me that on the one hand people can accept assertions of collusion between the FBI, DOJ, DNC and mainstream media (because that is what "conspired together" is, collusion) without a shred of evidence, but those same people deny any possibility of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, even though the evidence includes phone records, meetings, texts, and the testimony of people who worked for the Trump campaign.
But you see that's the difference between a lot of Trump supporters (or people that are lukewarm towards Trump or at least don't openly hate him and are withholding judgement until verified/corroborating evidence of criminal conspiracy..i.e. "collusion" between Trump and the Russians is shown and proven) and the anti-Trump leftists and Never Trumpers.
There will no doubt be a faction of Trump supporters that will stick with him no matter what including proven conspiracy with Russia. There is imho a much larger group of conservatives, moderates, and even libertarians that would turn on Trump if it was in fact proven he conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election. Could you or anyone else who despises him say the same about his haters accepting any SCO report that finds no corrobarating evidence that he or his campaign did conspire with Russia during the 2016 election? Heck, many on the left still refer to Judge Kavanaugh as a proven rapist and still claim that the Covington high school kids threatened, harassed, and yelled "build the wall" chants at Phillips despite a complete lack of evidence to corroborate the former and actual video evidence that exonerated the latter which brings me to the point you made in the quote above.
There is this strange disconnect among Trump haters with regards to the idea that there "isn't a shred of evidence" suggesting any sort of FBI/DOJ/DNC/Never Trumper/Deep State/MSM collusion or conspiracy to illegally spy on and take out Trump. I suppose it's somewhat understandable considering the vast majority of mainstream television, online, and print media is an eager and willing participant in the anti-Trump witch hunt and therefore has never and probably will never report on anything that might derail the Trump/Russian collusion narrative. On the other hand, if the ant-Trump crowd truly believes the Trump Russian collusion narrative and are hoping that definitive evidence of criminal conspiracy between Trump and Russia exists and can be proven it would stand to reason that you would at least be curious to also researched the allegations made by the other side who has been critical of the FBI/DOJ/DNC/Deep State to see if there is any evidence that the allegations made by pro Trumpers is true. That's what reasonable people on either side of the debate do to judge whether their side or the other side is simply engaging in delusional wishful thinking or if what the other side claims warrants a closer objective look. Not only do Trump haters refuse to consider whether or not the allegations from the other side have any possible merit at all, they don't even seem to understand that there is A LOT of actual documented evidence of both FBI/DOJ malfeasance in the manner which it appears they deliberately and illegally spied on an opposition political campaign during an election. Not only that, but there is actual documented evidence that they broke their own rules and procedures multiple times to get a FISC warrant to not only spy on the Trump campaign but also in dealing with the Clinton email investigation. Furthermore, there is very strong circumstantial if not outright documented evidence that the FBI/DOJ/DNC/Deep State engaged in the very same "Russian collusion" to try to set up the Trump campaign for crimes the DNC was already engaged in.
This isn't some wild conspiracy theory either. The evidence via the congressional testimony of multiple top level FBI and DOJ officials as well as internal FBI and DOJ documents released due to FOIA requests is real and is public for anyone truly digging and wanting to find out what happened. The fact that so many Trump haters are oblivious to the fact that this evidence exists is dumbfounding. The fact that the evidence is real and it actually exists and is available to the general public if they're willing to look for it is yet is completely ignored by the mainstream media and Trump haters in general is both scary and sad at the same time. Scary how powerfully effective the mainstream media can sway the public opinion of an entire nation for or against a politician or political party as the gatekeeper of information to the large masses of gullible and uninformed Americans. Sad in they will completely and willingly abandon any and all journalistic integrity and push a questionable or even false narrative simply because it furthers their leftist agenda and/or supports their leftist world view. They run with dubious or even unverified information if it supports their agenda and bury any story that hurts or doesn't promote their agenda.
Simply put, if the proof of Trump/Russia collusion is as overwhelmingly and obvious as the haters claim it is then you can't rest assured it will be widely, loudly, and gleefully disseminated my the mainstream media and Trump will rightly go down. As of today, however, the same can't be said of the DNC or the "Deep State" ever answering for its documented malfeasance. Short of their guilty parties being perp walked to jail there won't be a peep in the mainstream media about it. Sad but true
The FBI has no mandate to invoke or attempt to influence those who would vote to remove a sitting president, so lets start with that.
Beyond that, the "insurance policy" was clearly using a false accusation based on the opposition party promoting the fake report about Trump & the Russians.
They knew it was tainted, yet still presented it to a FISA court and concealed that fact to get the ball rolling.
Try getting out of your partisan mindset for a minute and just imagine if the FBI did any of this against Bill Clinton or Barak Obama, and think how much different you'd be feeling about it.
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Why would it matter what President it's in reference to? It's not a coup to use the 25th amendment to remove a President. A process that is full of many checks and balances.
I would feel the same regardless of President.
Feel free to investigate anyone - I have no information on the FBI's involvement (do you have information that they were involved?) - but I can say the 25th amendment is a perfectly legal way to remove a President.
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