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Old 02-20-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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Capitalism is by the rich, for the rich with plenty of broken promises (we'll self regulate... yeah, right), broke (due to the wealth being held by the rich), and death (from lack of healthcare)
So someone must be forced at gunpoint to pay for your health care?
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Denver
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So someone must be forced at gunpoint to pay for your health care?
You're already paying for other's healthcare.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You're already paying for other's healthcare.
That is the basic idea behind insurance (private, or public).
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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So someone must be forced at gunpoint to pay for your health care?

Gun point?
There may come that day even when you are in your twenties or thirties where you may be in the hospital for several days. It may be a hit and run or it may be that you are sitting at your desk or the steering wheel and you find a lump on your neck. Biopsies follow because you don't dare ignore the lump. It could me a minor illness, it could be lymphoma. Still you don't dare ignore it. The doctors advised a neck and chest biopsy. Ten days later it turns out that your lungs reacted to the crappy air in Brooklyn and you are fine. But now there have been two surgeries and ten days in the hospital. The bills for the surgeon and the hospital stay came to about $89,000 but you had insurance didn't you?
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Cable News outlets are always obsessed, especially during prime time.

They obsess over different things.

Most people don’t watch cable news.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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Why do all the leftists use the same phrases? Is there a memo...?
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Capitalism is by the rich, for the rich with plenty of broken promises (we'll self regulate... yeah, right), broke (due to the wealth being held by the rich), and death (from lack of healthcare)
Which is why you need capitalism to build an economy and some socialistic provision of services like the USA and Europe employ.

Venezuela is a perfect socialist state as is Cuba and North Korea....somehow, our socialists don't seem dying to live in that nirvana, what gives?
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Au Contraire. Wealth redistribution is permitted by the sixteenth amendment.
Amendment 16: The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

Well, well. To no one's surprise, the 16th amendment says nothing about where the tax money collected, can or cannot go. Not a single word about wealth distribution. Or any distribution of any kind.

When you try to spread an illegal program by lying about it, you should really confine yourself to lies that aren't as easily refuted.

OTOH, wealth distribution is explicitly prohibited by the so-called "Welfare Clause".

Article 1, Sec. 8: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States....

In 1789, "General Welfare" referred to programs that would help all Americans equally. As opposed to "local welfare", which referred to programs that would only benefit isolated groups (what we today call "special interests"). The aiding of isolated groups was left to the states to carry out as they saw fit. No single state could do things that could benefit all Americans, so that power (and only that power) was assigned to the new Federal govt by the Constitution.

To the discomfiture of liberals (even in the 18th century) the so-called "Welfare Clause" in the Constitution was not a permission for the Fed govt to do anything it wanted that might help any group large or small. To the contrary, it was a restriction on how Federal tax money may be spent: To pay debts and provide national defense, and to pay only for programs that would help all Americans equally.

Taking money from one group and handing it to another group who did nothing to earn or deserve it, was left off the list of things the Fed could spend tax money on. And no other part of the Constitution authorized such "wealth redistribution".

Wealth redistribution is, in fact, flatly unconstitutional.

Sorry, liberals, the principal means by which you keep trying to buy votes, is completely illegal for the Fed govt.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Which is why you need capitalism to build an economy and some socialistic provision of services like the USA and Europe employ.

Venezuela is a perfect socialist state as is Cuba and North Korea....somehow, our socialists don't seem dying to live in that nirvana, what gives?
Oh I completely agree with that. Ideally, a blend of the two allows for both businesses to profit and for the public to have social services to live happy, healthy lives.

There are some users here who would prefer zero government services (public schools, public roads, parks, etc).
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Oh I completely agree with that. Ideally, a blend of the two allows for both businesses to profit and for the public to have social services to live happy, healthy lives.

There are some users here who would prefer zero government services (public schools, public roads, parks, etc).
No rational person I know of would advocate zero government services....not workable. The argument is how much of the economy should be socialized services....USA 20-25% or Nordic countries 50+%....I favor our system but I could live with the Nordic system.
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