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Old 02-22-2019, 06:56 AM
 
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It's just that not all Americans are limited to those things above. Many Americans have health insurance through their jobs and their own private policies. Once you limit all Americans to one gov't health insurance program then that's when you'll have problems.
IMO as a patient we need to continue to offer choices. And as a doc I don't want all my eggs in one basket.
I think that an American solution will not be single payer alone.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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It usually takes me longer to get an appointment with my Doctor also. Last time it took over 2 months.
I recently had a Canadian friend with rectal bleeding. And the wait to see the specialist was 2 months!

Bad medicine!
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:59 AM
 
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Health care through bankruptcy would suit the right wing much more than Medicare For All. Right conservatives?
I certainly agree that it should never happen, but bankruptcy due to medical reasons alone is not so common.

https://conversableeconomist.blogspo...es-debate.html
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Some Medicare Advantage plans cover most things under one plan, if you're in the plan's network. They are offered by private health insurance companies, approved and paid by Medicare. It would probably be a good idea to have Medicare Advantage for all.
If we ever that close/far, you can bet that the Right will argue with you.

That uncovered 20% will be a good part of their 'skin in the game' ideology.
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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That would be this Fraser Institute:

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Fraser_Institute

"ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council"

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/0...n_1456223.html

Paid by Americans to state what American right wing tells them to.

If you're going to criticize Canada's healthcare system use facts instead of outright lies fabbed up by a Right Wing Think Tank bought and paid for by American big money interests.
What is your own opinion of the Canadian health system?
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:24 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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You're attempting to provide education to people who have no use for it. They prefer indoctrination. Leave them to their self-flagellation. They seem to enjoy living in despair as long as they think they're better off.

Let them think what they like while the rest of us enjoy superior QOL's, longer lives and overall happiness. As well as all of us having effective pre-emptive healthcare from cradle to grave without any concern over costs..
I can't speak for the Canadian system, but I do know this, I have had private health insurance my whole life and have had 0 problems and no wait times what so ever.
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a time when we had "major medical" coverage and we paid out of pocket for our routine things like the occasional doctor visits, check-ups, etc. My question.... which sector of health care is the most expensive and has the most potential for actually helping? So is preventative medicine the most important part or is a policy that would cover only catastrophic the more reasonable? Maybe instead of just using the soak the rich to give everyone everything idea's maybe the USA could come up with it's own version that gives the most important part of health care to those who need it most, but does not completely cover ALL health care.
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Why should we give a fugg about your 300 million. None of us are trying to sell you bozos anything. It's your country that's fugged up ….you fix it and leave us the heck alone.

No one outside of the U.S. shives-a-git if you die due to being denied healthcare after you've spent the last century telling all of us how superior you are.
Why do you even bother posting here?
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Old 02-22-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a time when we had "major medical" coverage and we paid out of pocket for our routine things like the occasional doctor visits, check-ups, etc. My question.... which sector of health care is the most expensive and has the most potential for actually helping? So is preventative medicine the most important part or is a policy that would cover only catastrophic the more reasonable? Maybe instead of just using the soak the rich to give everyone everything idea's maybe the USA could come up with it's own version that gives the most important part of health care to those who need it most, but does not completely cover ALL health care.
Hospital care.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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I can't speak for the Canadian system, but I do know this, I have had private health insurance my whole life and have had 0 problems and no wait times what so ever.
And I'll counter with being a Canadian in his mid 70's experiencing all those things typical for a normal lifestyle of early sports involvement and military service.....I've had various surgeries over my lifespan for things such as ligament damage in both knees one of which was done within hours of the damage occurring because the ligament had intruded into the joint locking my knee in the bent position, from event to operation completed was less than 6 hours. That one happened at work, I was taxied to hospital where a specialist was on call, had me X-rayed, informed me he had a theater available and could operate immediately....all done and sent home a few hours later.

All of the intervening years normal childhood things like measles, flu's, one bout of pneumonia, one false heart related event, and a bunch of doctor's visits for stuff I cannot even remember with the normal two yearly check-up visits occurring throughout my lifetime have passed without any delays at all, either in making appointments with my GP to scheduled appointments with a variety of specialists occurring with no more than a couple of weeks delay for non-emergency issues.

Any of those visits required by a call to my GP for an illness in progress usually happened later the same day.

I've NEVER seen a bill, never had costs of whatever enter into any thought process regarding healthcare delivery for anything. Not once!

Never had to fill out a form for a third entity scrutiny. Never had to consider whether I had adequate coverage. Never had to think about denial of coverage for some stated reason of "failure to disclose" or not within "network". Pre-existing condition is a phrase no one ever hears in Canada.

Wherever I might be in Canada, I can see a specialist and undergo a procedure without concern for being within a group of service providers sanctioned by an insurance company.

NO DEDUCTIBLES....NO COPAYS. Just git-er-dun and never see a bill...never.
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