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Old 02-25-2019, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Why would anyone have a problem with paying for what they use? Don't want to pay the toll? Don't drive on toll roads.
Because it's double taxation in this case. They are having to pay fuel taxes AND the tolls. And again, you and lifeexplorer are the only two people I've talked to who like tolls. Almost everybody hates them
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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IN order to close the gap we have to motivate the poor to become better educated and encourage them to work harder.
No they have to motivate themselves and educate themselves to become better. The only person who can make you successful is you. No one can help you. Sure there are mentorships available to those who seek them, but if you don't have the drive to want to succeed, no amount of handouts is going to help you...
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Old 02-25-2019, 06:50 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because it's double taxation in this case.
Not always. IL, for example, built a new N/S expressway west of Chicago and because taxes were/are insufficient to fund the construction, it's a toll road. Don't want to pay the toll? Don't drive on the toll road. Take the old route which has frequent stoplights, etc., and takes MUCH longer to get from point A to point B. Your choice.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:10 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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Why would anyone have a problem with paying for what they use? Don't want to pay the toll? Don't drive on toll roads.
And yet, as one who has remained childless by choice, I am forced to pay hefty property taxes towards the public school system. All of the time, our governments (federal, state and local) force us to pay for services we don't use or need.

In MA, our Mass Pike (a road that only goes from east to west) tolls were used to help cover the Big Dig project for depressing the elevated Expressway that cut through Boston from north to south.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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National defense is a Constitutional mandate. Social welfare programs are not. Eliminate the $1+ trillion we spend on means-tested public assistance programs each year and use that money to pay down the national debt. Fund assistance programs via voluntary donations to private charitable foundations. If society values funding such programs, they will voluntarily do so. If not, then society has spoken.

Is 1 trillion + in military spending in the Constitution? If so, quote where exactly. There is huge overspending and waste, and I don't think I need to post how much we spend compared to the rest of the world. The British are not coming, and the Martians are not coming either. Period.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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Because it's double taxation in this case. They are having to pay fuel taxes AND the tolls. And again, you and lifeexplorer are the only two people I've talked to who like tolls. Almost everybody hates them
Do you like paying for internet?
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Do you like paying for internet?
Internet only costs me $80/month. Internet doesn't cost millions of dollars to build and maintain. Big difference
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Rule #1: When you incentize sloth, you get more sloth.

There will always be poor people because its very easy for humans to be lazy and stupid. But you can't have a huge number of them. Population control is needed.

Have to give you credit for your transparency. Final solution is always an option in your thinking, right?
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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One day the left will realize that the biggest reason the gap even existed is due to too government intervention. When you subsidize the babies of America’s poorest citizens, there is no financial to climb the laddder of social mobility.

And why would they? America has richest the poor people of any western country.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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Internet only costs me $80/month. Internet doesn't cost millions of dollars to build and maintain. Big difference
LOL!

Internet costs billions of dollars to build and maintain not millions! At least roads are mostly on land, Internet must be built across the oceans and borders.

What’s the big difference?
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