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Old 02-22-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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Originally Posted by NomadicDrifter View Post
No it doesn't. The school does not have the legal authority to establish whatever dress code it wants. The fact you said that shows you know nothing, which is not surprising. They will be sued, this girl is going to make sure of it. And for all the accusations of me "whining" and being a snowflake - your post reads like an imbalanced individual - ranting about nothing, swearing. Grow up.
No wonder you didn't bother reading the article; evidently you lack basic reading skills. I very clearly did NOT say the school district can establish any dress code it wants; I specifically said they "have the authority to establish dress codes, as long as those dress codes are within certain legal guidelines." Are you going to dispute that one, too?


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Give me the USSC ruling here so I can read it. Sorry, I don't trust your intelligence enough to interpret it, I will need to do that for myself.
Then look it up yourself, Einstein, if you're of such superior intellect that you can't be bothered to trust anyone else, instead of just making **** up out of thin air and saying "is so is so is SO!!!!"

Considering how incapable you are of reading a simple two-sentence post, I wouldn't waste any time or effort spoonfeeding you links that will probably sail a mile over your head (if you bother to read them at all, seeing that you admit you can't even be bothered to read the article that we're all talking about in the first place.)
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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Then look it up yourself, Einstein, if you're of such superior intellect that you can't be bothered to trust anyone else, instead of just making **** up out of thin air and saying "is so is so is SO!!!!"
Calm down, you will bust a blood vessel.

You're responding to a comment I made to another poster, as if I made it to you. I didn't ask you, want nothing from you, I don't expect much from you to begin with. So take a deep breath and compose yourself, and wipe your computer screen from all your spit, have a nice Friday.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Hatfield and McCoys, again. ( possibly pun intended )


It is getting rather scary, here in the USA, when citizens will vehemently argue any issue (real or otherwise) to intentionally arrive at the chosen tribal base camp and gleefully, angrily and most often unfairly, assign others to the "pick your label" opposite one.


When will this end?

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Old 02-22-2019, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Give me the USSC ruling here so I can read it. Sorry, I don't trust your intelligence enough to interpret it, I will need to do that for myself.
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969)

Wikipedia has a nice summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker...chool_District
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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No wonder you didn't bother reading the article; evidently you lack basic reading skills. I very clearly did NOT say the school district can establish any dress code it wants; I specifically said they "have the authority to establish dress codes, as long as those dress codes are within certain legal guidelines." Are you going to dispute that one, too?




Then look it up yourself, Einstein, if you're of such superior intellect that you can't be bothered to trust anyone else, instead of just making **** up out of thin air and saying "is so is so is SO!!!!"

Considering how incapable you are of reading a simple two-sentence post, I wouldn't waste any time or effort spoonfeeding you links that will probably sail a mile over your head (if you bother to read them at all, seeing that you admit you can't even be bothered to read the article that we're all talking about in the first place.)
I wore hats in high school and love to wear hats though. The issue here is my school didn't have a blanket policy, so it was allowed. The district I work in actually has a hat policy AFAIK. This school doesn't but labels the hat rude, while they didn't complain about the child's similar pro-Trump apparel choices. I'm sorry I call bull on only the MAGA hat but the Build the Wall shirt is considered fine.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:55 PM
 
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Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969)

Wikipedia has a nice summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker...chool_District
I hate Wikipedia articles but taking a glance at the Wikipedia article (I will read the actual decision later):

-> The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."


So just because a MAGA hat may be uncomfortable in that school, they can't ban it.

Now it depends on what the school's dress code policy is. Again, I didn't bother to read the article but if it's a blanket anti-hat policy then thats A-ok but if it's anti-political messages then that won't be A-ok. If it's the latter, look for a successful challenge in the courts.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:51 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The student's comment "...it touched me because I had never thought about patriotism beforeā€ is particularly true of many Trumpers. They have a warped and tainted concept of patriotism and what America stands for. She can wear her hat all she wants away from school. The MAGA hat is the primary insignia of a gullible person. Gullible for being a supporter of a traitor and con man and then doubly gullible to be stupid enough to voluntarily wear his brand thinking it is some sort of patriotic statement.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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I wore hats in high school and love to wear hats though. The issue here is my school didn't have a blanket policy, so it was allowed. The district I work in actually has a hat policy AFAIK. This school doesn't but labels the hat rude, while they didn't complain about the child's similar pro-Trump apparel choices. I'm sorry I call bull on only the MAGA hat but the Build the Wall shirt is considered fine.
Yeah; that's why I said earlier that this is a really odd policy. According to the article, you can apparently wear just about anything you want on a T-shirt, but hats can only be school colors and either no logo or school logo. I don't get that, but as long as it's applied uniformly and consistently, it's apparently OK.




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I hate Wikipedia articles but taking a glance at the Wikipedia article (I will read the actual decision later):

-> The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."


So just because a MAGA hat may be uncomfortable in that school, they can't ban it.

Now it depends on what the school's dress code policy is. Again, I didn't bother to read the article but if it's a blanket anti-hat policy then thats A-ok but if it's anti-political messages then that won't be A-ok. If it's the latter, look for a successful challenge in the courts.
Gee... if only there were some way for you to read the same article that everyone else is talking about, so that you'd be as informed as we are... something easy, like... like... a link to click, for example... they could put the link right in the OP, and all you'd have to do is click on it...

If only someone would invent something like that...



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The student's comment "...it touched me because I had never thought about patriotism beforeā€ is particularly true of many Trumpers. They have a warped and tainted concept of patriotism and what America stands for. She can wear her hat all she wants away from school. The MAGA hat is the primary insignia of a gullible person. Gullible for being a supporter of a traitor and con man and then doubly gullible to be stupid enough to voluntarily wear his brand thinking it is some sort of patriotic statement.
Good point. Most of these people wouldn't know true patriotism if it rode past them on a unicycle playing a trombone. "I wear this hat to support my prezdunt, so that makes me a patriot!"

Everyone who wears a MAGA hat is wearing an empty hat.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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"Since when is patriotism inappropriate?".....it's not patriotism. She is making a statement some find offensive. It has become offensive due to the association with an offensive individual....blame him.

It is no different than someone wearing an "I Eat Meat" t-shirt to a meeting of PITA members, it is done solely to get a reaction.....

Both are wrong.

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No. You consider it offensive because of your own bias you put on that, not because of anyone else. MAGA means "Make America Great Again". If you find any other meaning in that, it's alllllllll on you, honey.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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I hate Wikipedia articles but taking a glance at the Wikipedia article (I will read the actual decision later):

-> The Court held that for school officials to justify censoring speech, they "must be able to show that [their] action was caused by something more than a mere desire to avoid the discomfort and unpleasantness that always accompany an unpopular viewpoint," that the conduct that would "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school."


So just because a MAGA hat may be uncomfortable in that school, they can't ban it.

Now it depends on what the school's dress code policy is. Again, I didn't bother to read the article but if it's a blanket anti-hat policy then thats A-ok but if it's anti-political messages then that won't be A-ok. If it's the latter, look for a successful challenge in the courts.

Read the article then instead of demonstrating your ignorance and poor argument. The school bans all hats, allowing ONLY those with a school logo or color.



I believe by your definition you are now A-OK with this.
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