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Holy Hell!! Why the F*** does Fox News lies so much???!!!! I can't help it, I HAVE to call out this BS and fake news from Fox.
Look at the supposed map of Chicago that Tucker put up showing where the "poor people" are and where the "middle class" people are. Anyone with a passing knowledge of Chicago would burst out laughing like I did, and then I just have to shake my head.
The map that they show has Wicker Park, Bucktown, Logan Square, East Pilsen, West Town, and Ukrainian Village as "poor neighborhoods" where the middle class disappeared. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wicker Park, Bucktown, and Ukraine Village are all the in blue(high income). West Town(includes Ukrainian Village, Wicker Park, Noble Square, and East Humboldt Park) has a median household income of about $75,000. The only low income section remains is East Humboldt Park(where the Puerto Rican flag poles are). Logan Square is basically a less gentrified version, with the Bucktown section is very high income, while further west it becomes lower income. There are even gangs still active in the area.
Wicker Park, Bucktown, and Ukraine Village are all the in blue(high income). West Town(includes Ukrainian Village, Wicker Park, Noble Square, and East Humboldt Park) has a median household income of about $75,000. The only low income section remains is East Humboldt Park(where the Puerto Rican flag poles are). Logan Square is basically a less gentrified version, with the Bucktown section is very high income, while further west it becomes lower income. There are even gangs still active in the area.
Yes, that map is a lot clearer, and one can argue perhaps Wicker Park and Bucktown are in the edge of the blue area.
BUT it CLEARLY shows that Pilsen, Bridgeport, McKinley Park, Portage Park, Humboldt Park, and possibly Ukrainian Village and Logan Square in the red zone.
Anyway you slice it, those are NOT poverty stricken neighborhoods.
The point is, these are NOT poor poverty stricken neighborhoods. These are part of the city where the middle class live. Yes, some of these neighborhoods used to be poorer and gentrification ushered in wealthier residents while some poor Chicagoans stayed. But it would point to the neighborhoods improving, not declining like the Fox News reported. Fox reported the exact opposite of what is really happening.
Using U.S.Census data, they calculated the average per capita income across the entire Chicago metropolitan region for each year of the U.S. Census, beginning in 1970. A city census tract was considered “middle income” if its average per capita income fell between 80 and 120 percent of the metro-wide average for that year
Fox reported a University of Illinois study... So stop with the Fox lies BS...
I could say that by me in East Central PA in those coming from NYC and Philly. But these ARE OUR AMERICAN CITIES. Chicago may have two sides. But its better side (I'll use it just lightly not to offend) is bigger then Minneapolis.
Like I show. It s a amazing city that is a Tourism Mecca now too. 58-million up 2-million from 2017. So despite its issues. Some things it thrives in. I'm not young either. BUT I USE REASON not merely on politics or race. rl]
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"What we find is a very dreary picture. In nearly every sector, whether you talk about aldermen, you talk about Chicago schools, you talk about contracts, in every area corruption is still rife in the city of Chicago," said Dick Simpson, lead author of the "Continuing Corruption in Illinois" study and a University of Illinois Chicago political science professor.
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"What that means is that it's harder to get businesses to come here because of its corrupt state, we're losing population and corruption is one of the reasons we're losing population. We have undermined faith in government," Simpson said.
Really?
NAFTA is the "#1 reason for the decline in US private unions"?
REALLY?
Hmmmm, that's weird, because union membership was ALREADY FALLING drastically for DECADES before NAFTA and most of the union jobs lost since NAFTA have likely been lost due to increased automation and trade with CHINA rather than Mexico or Canada. Most economists blame the 1947 GOP Taft-Hartley Act for much of the decline. That makes sense since within a few short years of it's signing union membership began it's long decline. In fact, union membership percentage had already fallen by nearly TWO THIRDS before NAFTA was ever signed into law.
Bur I guess you just can't bring yourself to admit that you don't have clue about this subject.
Ken
You are correct. I was couching the discussion in the more recent era since that's where the thread claim was and not going back to post WW2. So I was wrong and I see the point you are making now.
If we're going to go back that far though, then we would also need to bring into scope the fall-off from post WW2 abnormal highs to the emergence of stronger pressure for competition.
You are correct. I was couching the discussion in the more recent era since that's where the thread claim was and not going back to post WW2. So I was wrong and I see the point you are making now.
If we're going to go back that far though, then we would also need to bring into scope the fall-off from post WW2 abnormal highs to the emergence of stronger pressure for competition.
Oh yeah, the fall-off from the post WW2 "lack of foreign competition" era has played a huge part in this. Simply put the USA was pretty much the "only game in town" when it came to quality production in the years after the war. Everyone else was either:
A) Not very well-developed to begin with
or
B) Dealing with a massive and expensive need to rebuild almost totally destroyed infrastructure
This gave the US a temporary and (quite frankly) unnatural advantage in terms of manufacturing. As the rest of the world rebuilt their infrastructure and those previously undeveloped (ie 3rd world) countries modernized their infrastructures as well, that advantage the US had evaporated.
In fact, in many ways the fact the US industries had survived the war intact actually led to a complete reversal in terms of the quality of the factories and manufacturing processes - and therefor dominance on various industries. The steel industry is a PRIME example. In 1945 US steel companies were the "kings on the world" - having complete dominance of their industry for the simple reason that steel plants elsewhere in the world had been largely destroyed so there was virtually ZERO competition from abroad.
The irony is it was this very NEED for foreign powers to have to rebuild their entire industrial base from the ground up that led to the reversal of fortunes for US steel manufacturers. While US firms rested on the laurels, raking in huge profits (and admittedly paying their employees well) while neglecting to upgrade/modernize their plants, overseas firms were busing rebuilding their facilities with the latest and greatest technologies. After all, if you have to rebuild your plants anyway, why not rebuild them BETTER than they had been before - and that's EXACTLY what countries like Japan did. The result is that while US steel firms snoozed, the Japanese leaped ahead in new and critical steel manufacturing technologies and techniques - and suddenly the US realized it couldn't compete - not just in regards to price but also in quality. This same story was repeated in many industries from auto production to electronics manufacturing and beyond. Those new plants overseas were far superior to the old plants in the US. They not only produced superior products, but they could do it CHEAPER because as older US facilities aged they became ever-more-expensive to maintain - thereby increasing costs and reducing money that might otherwise be available for modernization. In a very real way, those aging facilities begin to trap the companies that own them - making it harder and harder for them to compete with companies with newer plants overseas.
To make matters worse for the US, with the advent of the internet and modern communications (that make it possible to manufacture anywhere on earth while still being able to easily oversee/control the processes from here in the US) American companies found they could cheaply and easily offshore production to pretty much anywhere on earth. And as the previously backward 3rd world began to modernize, those counties became logical choices for that manufacturing. No longer technological backwaters with ignorant and uneducated populations, their low cost of living (and thus cheap labor) made them ideal candidates for overseas manufacturing of US goods.
While the US let its infrastructure stagnate, previously backward countries have been building the newest and most advanced infrastructures in the world. Again there's a natural irony in all this, the cost of maintaining the well-developed but rapidly aging American infrastructure (in everything from highways and rail systems to factories and power grids) actually holds back investment in the infrastructures of the future - whereas those countries having to build such infrastructure brand new to begin with, just leapfrog those older technologies and just jump right into the new. Telephone communications is a prime example. Putting in a new phone system today, NO ONE is going to invest heavily in phone lines. They will just put in cell towers and never even bother with the old technology that is in the US becoming increasingly expensive to maintain.
There's a real irony that our overwhelming victory in WWII has led (in large part) to our getting our hind ends kicked in many areas of manufacturing etc today.
NOTHING stays the same. You either keep up or you fall behind
Those ignorant morons who persist in denigrating "3rd World Hellholes" do so at their own peril. While such idiots are busy bragging about the US and ignorantly proclaiming that "everywhere else" is a "sh*thole" (Socialist or otherwise) those "sh*tholes" are cleaning our clocks with newer and better factories, faster and more reliable rail systems, vastly taller and more modern buildings and hugely superior manufacturing plants and processes.
Folks need to understand that America is NOT the only worthwhile and modern nation on earth and Americans are NOT the only smart and industrious people out there. In fact, I would venture to say that Americans are becoming very lazy in that regard.
As America steps back from the world by doing dumb things like withdrawing from the TPP, China and other rapidly modernizing nations are stepping up to the plate and filling that political and power vacuum - as WE are being rapidly left behind.
This is true technologically, industrially and even militarily.
Ken
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Carlson has certainly found a sure fire way to line his pockets. Demonize a particular political party and scapegoat them for every conceivable problem in this country despite the complex economic and social problems this country faces due to actions of a widely diverse group of people with conflicting ideologies.
Carlson has certainly found a sure fire way to line his pockets. Demonize a particular political party and scapegoat them for every conceivable problem in this country despite the complex economic and social problems this country faces due to actions of a widely diverse group of people with conflicting ideologies.
It's pretty easy to do when your viewing audience are IDIOTS.
Chicago is a booming and vibrant city. If the city was a state by itself, it would have the 6th largest economy in the US - greater than any states besides California, Texas, New York, Florida and Pennsylvania. Folks who belittle it are CLUELESS.
Ken
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