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That's not true. People like different climates, and they like what they like.
My mother lived over 90% of her life in the Bay Area, but she would have loved to have lived in Scottsdale or Paradise Valley instead.
Another member of my family 'in the days before divorce' didn't get along with his wife very well (his wife was NOT my mother ). Once the kids were grown, he spent as little time in the Bay Area as possible, spending most of his time running his business affairs while staying at various resorts in the Phoenix area.
I meant people who chose to live there. They aren't leaving because of "socialism." the vast majority leave because they can't afford it anymore. Generally, people who prefer AZ, seasons, etc. aren't living in the SF Bay Area. It's a lot easier to live just about anywhere else, especially these days.
I was visiting the Bay Area for a wedding and got into a conversation with a local man working as an event chauffeur as well as another regular job. He was the last of his family still hanging on in California...all of his siblings and cousins have moved away. He was working two jobs just to survive and said that he loved it there but if he moved away he could never afford to move back. He's caught in a trap and really was too old to start over in a new place if he finally moved away.
People will list several reasons why they want to move out but the root of the problem is the crippling cost and 40 million people wanting to live in roughly the same place. My friend, the groom at the wedding, rents a house in the East Bay area but works near the airport so he has to rent a sleeping room close to his job because he is on call several days a week and the traffic would never allow him to make the commute in a reasonable time frame. I can't imagine trying to live like that...too much hassle with not enough to show for it. I love visiting California but would never live there. Even if half the people moved away it would still be crowded and ranked ahead of New York state in population.
I know you weren't being completely serious, but if I may:
If half the population left, the cost of living would be staggeringly lower.
For reference, what has driven costs to the statosphere in about ten years in the Bay Area has been a few hundred thousand new jobs (and new people) in that time frame, and next to no new homes (a few tens of thousand homes, but esentially 0).
Take away half of the people, and prices would collapse.
I would be willing to swap houses with someone from SoCal in a heartbeat!! ( I live in Northern Kentucky)
I don't know where you live in 'Northern Kentucky', but I'm a Bay Area native who has also lived in Southern California (Newport Beach), and I'd rather live in Oxford, OH...which is 42 miles from Covington/52 miles from Florence there in Northern Kentucky, or downstate in The Highlands area (love it) of Louisville, than in the Bay Area or in Southern California.
I meant people who chose to live there. They aren't leaving because of "socialism." the vast majority leave because they can't afford it anymore. Generally, people who prefer AZ, seasons, etc. aren't living in the SF Bay Area. It's a lot easier to live just about anywhere else, especially these days.
Pretty much this. I don't know anyone for whom politics was the main driver for leaving. It might be helpful in convincing them in some way (I haven't met anyone for whom this was the case, though).. But the main factor is definitely cost of living beyond a reasonable doubt.
Fix cost of living, and this survey looks fully and completely different.
Also - keep in mind: many may say that they're considering leaving, but few actually will. We've had these surveys come out over the last few years, and they've looked pretty similar every time.
I know you weren't being completely serious, but if I may:
If half the population left, the cost of living would be staggeringly lower.
For reference, what has driven costs to the statosphere in about ten years in the Bay Area has been a few hundred thousand new jobs (and new people) in that time frame, and next to no new homes (a few tens of thousand homes, but esentially 0).
Take away half of the people, and prices would collapse.
I know your intention wasn't to amuse me, but thank you for posting the above ^^^^^.
The reason it amused me has nothing to do with the intent of your post......it's only that...for some unknown, oddball reason on my part it made me think of that old Yogi Berra quote that went something like 'no one ever goes there anymore..it's too crowded' .
I know your intention wasn't to amuse me, but thank you for posting the above ^^^^^.
The reason it amused me has nothing to do with the intent of your post......it's only that...for some unknown, oddball reason on my part it made me think of that old Yogi Berra quote that went something like 'no one ever goes there anymore..it's too crowded' .
I do love that quote. I think of it often in these kind of topics about cost of living and people wanting to leave.
Also in real life when people complain about lines at a hip new restaurant.
This is nothing new. Half the Californians you meet here will tell you they want to leave because things are expensive, 99% of them are just talk and will never follow through. I know people who have been talking about leaving for the past 20 years. Heck, I know right-wing conservatives who's been saying they wanted to leave and then keep complaining how they can't find anywhere good to move to. They want the Californian life but cheaper and run by Republicans. Good luck.
States with no sales tax tend to make it up in other ways, like a jumbo property tax (like TX).
Liberal states are more stressful because that's where things are happening. We have to compete with the world. When a person lives in slow Middle America and only worries about the next hurricane, of course life is a lot less stressful.
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LOL. You think they get hurricanes in middle America?
I know you weren't being completely serious, but if I may:
If half the population left, the cost of living would be staggeringly lower.
For reference, what has driven costs to the statosphere in about ten years in the Bay Area has been a few hundred thousand new jobs (and new people) in that time frame, and next to no new homes (a few tens of thousand homes, but esentially 0).
Take away half of the people, and prices would collapse.
That would be a nightmare though. Essentially anyone who has a jumbo mortgage would be underwater. Millions would be walking away in default, the market would be flooded with homes, banks would lose billions, businesses (mostly mom and pops) would be shuttered, more homeless.
It would be harsh and would send the country into another recession, if not a full blown depression.
California is too big to bail.
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I thought California was the liberal utopian dream? Why do they want to leave?
It's the socialist experiment state and another example of how the doctrine is a failure EVERY TIME!
California in 2017 had an over-sized share of the nation's homeless: 22%, for a state whose residents only make up 12% of the country's total population.[31] The Sacramento Bee notes that large cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco both attribute their increases in homeless to the housing shortage.[31] In 2017, homeless persons in California numbered 135,000 (a 15% increase from 2015).
Bold: That may be the excuse but it simply isn't the truth, as CA has shed more than a million people in the last few years.
About 130,000 more residents left California for other states last year than came here from them, as high costs left many residents without a college degree looking for an exit, according to a Sacramento Bee review of the latest census estimates. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/...got-last-year/
Hard to square that circle.
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I know things are bad in CA, but I didn't realize it's so bad that more than 1/2 the citizens are considering leaving. I know it has a lot to do with property values, however, it is also the highest taxed state in the union with $6B a year in gas taxes alone. WOW!
It may not be long before their economy starts collapsing under the weight of its own hubris. After the way the Amazon deal went, NY isn't far behind. I know I want to move to a state with no sales tax and hopefully less political strife.
Liberal states seem to be a lot more stressful to live in.
California has tough environmental regulations regarding toxic pollution, and these regulations reduce profits for the large corporations that finance the republican party. So corporate republican groups attack California.
Life expectancy by state,
California- 80.8 years.
Arkansas 76.0
Louisiana- 75.7 years
West Virginia- 75.4
California's economy is better than conservative state economies, California residents are happier than residents of conservative states, and the residents of California live over 5 years longer than residents of conservative states.
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). Once the kids were grown, he spent as little time in the Bay Area as possible, spending most of his time running his business affairs while staying at various resorts in the Phoenix area.
