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Is it a moral right for a country to provide free healthcare?
No. It's not "free". There is no such thing as "free" anything from the government. It's theft.
Take from one to give to another against the first person's will. That's not "free" and it's not "freedom".
I don't need a libertarian type lecture.
What my chronically ill wife and millions of other people with similar conditions need is affordable health care.
I think most of us are to the point where we really don't care about labels like "socialism". We just tune that out when we hear it. The rightwingers can have that conversation with themselves.
No one said it is going to be "free." Of course we will have to collectively pay for it.
But if we can pay untold trillions on toys for the military, billions for a great ineffective wall, and billions in subsidies for farmers thanks to Trump's trade wars, we should be able to find money for something as basic as an individual's health treatment. And other nations have figured out how to do it.
And for those of you who don't think there is any moral aspect or right to healthcare; ask yourself this: if you or the person you care about most in this world had an expensive medical emergency, how would you feel about the hospital saying "sorry, go die over there" if it doesn't appear that you have the cash to cover it? That's what conservative thinking reduces to.
I don't mind "universal" healthcare, but that is not the same as "free"
universal healthcare is paid by the government, IE tax money. If everyone was charged a flat healthcare tax, say 1% or whatever it took, then it would be fine. <-- This is why I didn't mind the ACA tax, it made everyone either pay a fine or buy insurance themselves, but everyone "paid" at some point (at least in theory, before subsidies and all)
For me, a flat tax for healthcare makes more sense than a "progressive" one, if universal truly means universal, then everyone pays the same amount. a "richer" person doesn't carry 10 poor people because he "can" pay more. Everyone pays their share for it. If the poor needs subsidies, they can get that to help with tax, but they aren't spending it on anything else
There is ZERO morality in demanding to reach into another person's pocket to pay for a service which they themselves should pay for IF they want to use that service. This morality you're trying to equate to progressively taxing everyone (the rich pay a lot and the poor pay none) for a service is nothing more than armed robbery, theft forced by government, which if you don't pay will end up with you being locked in a cage. How is that moral?
However, IF you voluntarily wanted to pay the medical expenses for someone else, with your OWN money, I can assure you no one will prevent you from doing so. I know because I've paid the medical bills of a family member and a single mother neighbor.
Voluntary charity is moral. Compelled charity, there is no such thing because it is merely theft.
But then again, that is just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
What my chronically ill wife and millions of other people with similar conditions need is affordable health care.
I think most of us are to the point where we really don't care about labels like "socialism". We just tune that out when we hear it. The rightwingers can have that conversation with themselves.
Then you find a way. It is not my duty to care for anyone in your family, that's YOUR duty.
Has the government found some large, underground reserve of healthcare? Where is it that this "free" healthcare is going to come from? Has anyone found it yet?
I don't believe in objective morality (abstract thought process however I go about my life as if objective morality exists). But let me say this:
If I were standing around in the middle of nowhere and someone came dying from some immediate injury, begged me to drive him to the hospital, and I demanded money ($$$) he didn't have, and then refused to drive him when he couldn't produce it.... Everyone here would say I was a bad guy. Some would call for my head.
Here is the thing, not all government's can provide free healthcare. The richer you're is when this becomes an option. The USA is rich, it can provide free healthcare to its citizens. It can make sure her citizens live longer.
I really don't get this - why would anyone be patriotic about a government that gives little to them in return?
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