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Old 02-25-2019, 12:00 PM
 
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How is that not discriminatory and non-inclusive?
Because sports are sex-segregated not because of social norms/customs, but because there are real physical/hormonal/biological/etc. differences between males and females.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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So we should exclude gays from boys locker room?
What does that have to do with this topic

I along with most athletic guys were in locker rooms with presumably a homo guy, and never had a problem. I don't think most heteros think about it.
I say presumably because everyone assumed everyone else was hetero, at least I did.
But undoubtedly at least one or two over the years might have been homos, but no one ever did anything inappropriate, not even a comment indicating an attraction.
That is the way it should be, keep it to yourself and live and let live, so to speak.

Now as far as having self identified trans boys in girls locker rooms, no frigging way would I tolerate that as a parent.

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Old 02-25-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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As I've said in other threads, this is one of the few things where I'm against transgenders being able to cross over to the other sex. Competitive sports.
Yes. That is an example of trans privilege, for all practical purposes. Now, if someone below 18 IDs as trans, that is one thing. It is another thing for them to get any surgery on operations when they are under 18.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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When you're not good enough to compete as a man, the Democrats have a plan for you.
Oh lordy. What does being born in the wrong body have to do with Democrats?
We have a friend that is transitioning from male to female now. I admit it was a shock and a lot to process. He will never look fully female. The hands are a dead give away alone. It's unfortunate that reproduction is not a perfect process, and sometimes genes and hormones get their signals crossed.

One of the side effects of males taking estrogen is a loss of muscle mass. Is it enough to cause a more fair advantage in athletes? Maybe. If it isn't, then it should disqualify them from competing, but it should be assessed on an individual basis. One size does not fit all and hate is a cancer of the soul. This is not a political issue, it's a social issue. Science and technology advances and is able to help people that have suffered in silence for perhaps decades or a lifetime. Society however is not as advanced. We should all try to help people who were born different find their way in society, not penalize and politicize them to further an agenda. One male to female transition may yield someone who is equal physically to a female, while another may yield one who is still stronger than a female, even with estrogen therapy. It has to be a fair process to determine if that should disqualify a transgender from competing as female.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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It would be interesting if all the female competitors just stood up and turned their backs at the starting buzzer, and no one in the audience made a sound.
Exactly

Not too long ago I read a story about a top girl who was competing is a championship and was expected to win. Instead a tranny won, and it took away her moment in time. I thought to myself the parents are at least in part to blame for not putting a stop to it prior to the competition. If the school or governing body refused to stop it, they should have boycotted the event.

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Please tell me that's from The Onion or Babylon Bee.
I wish it were, but sadly it is apparently real, as I read it in a UK publication, maybe the Guardian. I copied down the acronym just because it was so much longer than any I had read/heard about.
I don't remember or know what it all stands for, and frankly do not care to know.


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Old 02-25-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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Is there any way to make it totally fair? Boys tend to be much taller on average...that alone is an unfair advantage. Perhaps trans people should only compete if the hormonal process starts before puberty...but that has ethical considerations.
No, because that will only encourage more far-too-young to know people from sterilizing themselves even though many change their minds later. We should not be encouraging this at all. They’re just going to have to sacrifice sports or compete as their biological gender.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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How can a trans guy be a lesbian? If a biological male is attracted to biological female...that is normal hetero attraction at that point.
Yep, that’s why I put lesbian in quotes.
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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In a way, it might be time to do away with men-only sports, and women-only sports. Let people compete with each other. It would be more fun that way.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:24 PM
 
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Oh lordy. What does being born in the wrong body have to do with Democrats?
We have a friend that is transitioning from male to female now. I admit it was a shock and a lot to process. He will never look fully female. The hands are a dead give away alone. It's unfortunate that reproduction is not a perfect process, and sometimes genes and hormones get their signals crossed.

One of the side effects of males taking estrogen is a loss of muscle mass. Is it enough to cause a more fair advantage in athletes? Maybe. If it isn't, then it should disqualify them from competing, but it should be assessed on an individual basis. One size does not fit all and hate is a cancer of the soul. This is not a political issue, it's a social issue. Science and technology advances and is able to help people that have suffered in silence for perhaps decades or a lifetime. Society however is not as advanced. We should all try to help people who were born different find their way in society, not penalize and politicize them to further an agenda. One male to female transition may yield someone who is equal physically to a female, while another may yield one who is still stronger than a female, even with estrogen therapy. It has to be a fair process to determine if that should disqualify a transgender from competing as female.
You cannot transition from male to female. You cannot change your chromosomes from xy to xx. You can say miau all day and night and to attach a tail to your ars, but it will not make you a cat.
Why democrats? Because they are promoting this nonsense. Instead of treating them in nut houses they are letting those creatures to robb prizes from women.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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Oh lordy. What does being born in the wrong body have to do with Democrats?
We have a friend that is transitioning from male to female now. I admit it was a shock and a lot to process. He will never look fully female. The hands are a dead give away alone. It's unfortunate that reproduction is not a perfect process, and sometimes genes and hormones get their signals crossed.

One of the side effects of males taking estrogen is a loss of muscle mass. Is it enough to cause a more fair advantage in athletes? Maybe. If it isn't, then it should disqualify them from competing, but it should be assessed on an individual basis. One size does not fit all and hate is a cancer of the soul. This is not a political issue, it's a social issue. Science and technology advances and is able to help people that have suffered in silence for perhaps decades or a lifetime. Society however is not as advanced. We should all try to help people who were born different find their way in society, not penalize and politicize them to further an agenda. One male to female transition may yield someone who is equal physically to a female, while another may yield one who is still stronger than a female, even with estrogen therapy. It has to be a fair process to determine if that should disqualify a transgender from competing as female.
Talk about pseudoscientific woo-woo..."sometimes genes and hormones get their signals crossed?"

And then, on top of that, we get the self-contradictory bit where on the one hand, "gender" and "sex" are two different things, and then on the other hand, those two things are treated as if gender is indeed directly tied to sex such that, "Well, duh, of course a biological male who believes he was born into the wrong body will 'transition' into a female. Duh." They never even bother to sort out these obvious contradictions and that's because this an ideology, a belief system, with rigid dogma and various "truths" taken on faith.
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