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I agree with you! You’re pushing two political agendas, gun control and late term abortion. If you want to come on here and push your gun control agenda, no one is going to stop you. FWIW, guns are too entrenched in this culture to ever be removed. It would likely take many decades to get anywhere on that issue. Do you think people are going to just line up and give their guns to the government? If you have ideas, join online boards or write your representatives.
Infanticide is not what might happen, it’s what will happen, because the Senate voted to deny help to babies that survive abortion. I’ve read about some of these babies who actually survived such a thing, and someone took pity on them and gave them care. They went on to become intelligent and productive adults. It’s a sad commentary as to where we are headed as a society.
No one is going to abort third trimester pregnancies on demand. If there is a valid, compelling reason to deliver a third trimester fetus for the benefit of the mother, every effort will be made to help that baby survive if it is healthy itself. No new law is needed. The new law in NY decriminalized termination of third trimester pregnancies where the outcome for the fetus would be fatal. The only question would be whether the demise happened before delivery or after delivery, and that decision should be up to the family actually facing such a horrible situation, with input from physicians with expertise and experience in dealing with devastating birth defects.
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I’m not arguing first trimester abortions. Those laws have been in place for a long while. What is troubling are current laws leaning towards later abortions on demand. The New Reproductive Health Act is going to open the door for other states to follow suit. Sure, you can parrot the “safe, legal and rare” party line, but the 24 week limit was removed. This issue is headed towards the interest of the mother, not the baby.
It’s interesting you and other posters, never addressed babies who were born alive and got the chance to grow up.
No, the law does not extend abortion on demand past 24 weeks. After that point there must either be a compelling, valid maternal indication to end the pregnancy, and every effort will be made to deliver a healthy baby, or there must be severe birth defects with a dismal prognosis for the baby, usually resulting in stillbirth or neonatal death.
You are trying to read something into the law which is just not there.
Doctors will not be terminating third trimester pregnancies for trivial reasons.
Infanticide is not what might happen, it’s what will happen, because the Senate voted to deny help to babies that survive abortion. I’ve read about some of these babies who actually survived such a thing, and someone took pity on them and gave them care. They went on to become intelligent and productive adults. It’s a sad commentary as to where we are headed as a society.
But the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 enacted August 5, 2002 extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. Tell me just how the heck can you be so terribly naive and so incredibly stupid as to assume babies won't be killed simply if Congress passes the latest babies born alive law?
No one is going to abort third trimester pregnancies on demand. If there is a valid, compelling reason to deliver a third trimester fetus for the benefit of the mother, every effort will be made to help that baby survive if it is healthy itself. No new law is needed. The new law in NY decriminalized termination of third trimester pregnancies where the outcome for the fetus would be fatal. The only question would be whether the demise happened before delivery or after delivery, and that decision should be up to the family actually facing such a horrible situation, with input from physicians with expertise and experience in dealing with devastating birth defects.
No, the law does not extend abortion on demand past 24 weeks. After that point there must either be a compelling, valid maternal indication to end the pregnancy, and every effort will be made to deliver a healthy baby, or there must be severe birth defects with a dismal prognosis for the baby, usually resulting in stillbirth or neonatal death.
You are trying to read something into the law which is just not there.
Doctors will not be terminating third trimester pregnancies for trivial reasons.
I didn’t say the law extends abortion on demand past 24 weeks. I have said repeatedly there is potential for abuse due to vague wording of the ‘health’ of the mother.
Who said anything about Dr’s? A licensed healthcare provider is all that is required now.
I didn’t say the law extends abortion on demand past 24 weeks. I have said repeatedly there is potential for abuse due to vague wording of the ‘health’ of the mother.
Who said anything about Dr’s? A licensed healthcare provider is all that is required now.
How do you know about the potential. Have you work in an abortion clinic? Do you know of any women who changed her mind and got an abortion during the 3rd trimester even though the doctor thought the unborn baby was viable? If so, could the woman afford the much higher cost?
But the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 enacted August 5, 2002 extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. Tell me just how the heck can you be so terribly naive and so incredibly stupid as to assume babies won't be killed simply if Congress passes the latest babies born alive law?
That’s the whole point, genius. A law will only regulate human behavior up to a certain extent. Women have repeatedly given other women a halo if they want a late term abortion. I don’t buy into this wonderful and confidential ‘between a woman and her Dr’ idea. Humans are far from perfect and people’s motivations can vary widely. There are women and Dr’s who are unscrupulous, who would have thought? Anyway, in New York, it’s now between a woman and her health care provider.
The Senate had the chance to give babies born alive a fighting chance and they didn’t. Of course some babies born alive will be killed and it will be covered up, but this new law opens the door a bit wider for such abuses.
How do you know about the potential. Have you work in an abortion clinic? Do you know of any women who changed her mind and got an abortion during the 3rd trimester even though the doctor thought the unborn baby was viable? If so, could the woman afford the much higher cost?
Read the wording in the law. My guess is that we’ll be reading about various situations regarding this law in the months to come. People on both sides of the asile will be arguing about it.
I didn’t say the law extends abortion on demand past 24 weeks. I have said repeatedly there is potential for abuse due to vague wording of the ‘health’ of the mother.
Who said anything about Dr’s? A licensed healthcare provider is all that is required now.
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Sure, you can parrot the “safe, legal and rare” party line, but the 24 week limit was removed.
Other providers can perform early terminations (where the state* allows), many of which are now done with medications. That would include people trained to do it, including physician assistants, nurse practitioners, and nurse midwives. None of those are going to be doing third trimester terminations because they will not have the training and experience. There are literally about half a dozen people who do.
Of course some babies born alive will be killed and it will be covered up, but this new law opens the door a bit wider for such abuses.
No. That is infanticide, and the NY law does not make it legal.
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