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No real goal. It is what it is. He’s a lame duck anyhow, so overall I couldn’t care less.
As someone who’s spent much of his life in New England, family comes from New York, as a businessman, a nice guy, etc... trumps just one of the world largest douchebags and has been for decades. That’ll never change. There is literally nothing about him worth emulating. I believe in judging politicians based on their person > policies > politics. He fails every one of those, especially the first one.
If he committed some crime, impeachment and possible removal (the latter depending on the crime).
If it is nothing more than some shady but not illegal activities, then weakening in anticipation of 2020.
My thoughts exactly. I don't hate the guy but I also think he is unfit to be POTUS. I would prefer to see him removed through the 2020 election, unless he committed a major crime.
I just want to see criminals prosecuted. PARTICULARLY powerful criminals.
It's a dangerous notion that the most powerful man in the country is above the law. Assuming he's broken the law, I'd like to see that idea relegated to the dustbin of history along with the divine right of kings.
And if he hasn't broken the law, then he's got nothing to worry about
I want the Mueller report and all of the findings in the other investigations to be made public and then let the chips fall where they may.
This.
I have no goal without information.
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I don't hate him. That requires an emotional investment in him that I do not have.
I think he's unfit to serve as president because he puts his own interests ahead of the country and is profoundly immoral and willfully ignorant. And probably has some form of dementia too.
I doubt he'll be impeached before 2020. The House knows the Republican controlled Senate won't vote to convict. I don't see Trump voluntarily stepping down either.
Trump being gone from office prior to 2020 is an ideal scenario because Pence would replace him, and then be the incumbent for 2020. He might be challenged, but it looks bad when you primary an incumbent president so I don't know that the GOP would do that. Pence is a much weaker candidate than Trump, so as a Democrat, I'd certainly prefer Pence to be running in 2020. You can't argue that people who like Trump really, really like him, and will crawl over broken glass in the middle of a hurricane to vote for him again. I don't think they'd walk across the street on a pleasant day to vote for Pence.
However - I don't think for a second that's going to happen. I think Trump will run again in 2020 and given the current options for the Dem nominee, I think he'd probably win. Hopefully though, his second term is with a Democrat controlled Senate and House, who can minimize the damage.
I don't expect to see Trump impeached unless someone digs up video of him roasting and eating a baby while simultaneously getting a blowjob from Ivanka. And even then his supporters would argue that the baby deserved it.
As a Libertarian who did not support or vote for Trump, I am fine praising him when he occasionally does something right and criticizing him when he blows it. I think he should be removed if he broke the law with an offense that is impeachable and should remain in office if Mueller cannot clearly prove he broke the law. In that case leave it up to the voters in 2020.
With reports that the Mueller investigation may be about to finish I am curious what the ultimate goal is of those who hate Trump?
Impeachment? Or a weakened Trump who makes it to 2020?
Lets say next week the Mueller investigation concludes and there is bombshell information in the report that makes it impossible for the GOP to sweep it under the rug. Although Trump stays defiant at first the march to successful impeachment and confirmation is inevitable and Trump resigns. Trump could also stay in office and actually be impeached or pardon himself and let the courts sort it out.
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The Mueller report is inconclusive regarding Trump and he remains in office and runs for re-election.
So Trump haters what do you want to have happen? Trump running in 2020 or his replacement Pence running in 2020? With either option there is the risk of Trump or Pence winning in 2020.
What is your preference? Am I missing some other possible outcome to all of this?
Why are your only options that there is a bombshell (highly unlikely because it would have been leaked) and that it's inconclusive? Where's the option for no evidence he did anything wrong? I am not a Trump hater but if he did something wrong, I think he should be impeached but so far, I have yet to see any evidence other than a bunch of his people lied under oath, which is apparently only a crime if you are a Trump fan.
This is not about Trump. In fact, this is the second Republican president in a row that the Democrats have disputed the legitimacy of his election. This has become a pattern now.
They are all about power and control. They are absolute, out of control, control freaks. The election in 2016 decisively took that control away from them, and as you can see, they are positively apoplectic as a result. Elections in their view are expected to be a celebration of the Democrat left dominance, which is never to be interrupted or interfered with. Never.
Anyone who does actually interfere in an effective way must be marginalized, smeared, ruined and made powerless and irrelevant. Anyone who actually interrupts their domination of power, as George W. Bush did and as Donald Trump has now impertinently done again, must be positively destroyed, literally by any means necessary.
But it is not about the people that they are trying to harm and destroy. It is about their lust for power and control, not only over these offices, but ultimately over as much of every human beings' lives as they can determine a way to impose themselves on.
This is all very sad, and if you think about the implications of it, quite terrifying. Of course we have seen these motivations and mindsets run their course in places like the Stalin's Russia, Hitler's Germany, Mao's China, Castro's Cuba, Kim's North Korea and Chavez/Maduro's Venezuela. It is not a direction that any clear thinking, responsible human being really wants to go.
But the Democrat left - who want to impose their own current version of American Socialism on our country and our people - do not care if they are serving the people well or if the results are beneficial to our country. It is not about that. It is about them being in control and them being able to impose their will, period. That is the end, nothing else.
We are not privy to what Mueller has. I personally would not assume things one way or another.
It doesn't matter what Mueller has. This a political, not a legal question. As long as Trump's base is loyal to him, he will not be touched.
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If Trump does step down its hard to say. Like in 2016 it seems like the left has it all figured out. Trump is considered an imbecile by the left and he won. Underestimating the opponent is something the left keeps doing which I do not get. The right underestimated Bill Clinton and then Obama so it cuts both ways.
Those of us on the left that are not mainlining maddow and Russia bs all day long recognize that while Trump has very little political skill, he does have a good ability to promote his platform to his base. He ran away with the Republican primary because of this. I suppose it's possible Pence would be the nominee, just because I can't imagine who else in the party is viable.
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Pence is a seasoned politician who has managed to stay somewhat loyal to Trump (at least he has not publicly criticized him) yet seems to be out of the fray regarding the Russia investigation. So I would not rule him out as a non factor.
I'm skeptical of his abilities, I guess we'll see.
Again, I just want him out of office he should of never been president in the first place. Besides being an embarrassment to this country, he’s a fool who has no clue as to what he’s doing. Upsetting the left is all he’s doing and his supporters are good with that. Even if it means throwing this country into chaos.
Just because he defeated your chosen one in a completely legal, legitimate, and fair manner doesn't means he "should have never been there" or is illegitimate. If your candidate hadn't been so arrogant believing there was no way she could lose and hadn't run such a horrible campaign by blowing off key Midwestern swing states and failing to make even one campaign stop in a couple of them not to mention sh### all over many of those swing voters calling then deplorables she may very well have won.
There's a lesson to be learned for you and your fellow Democrats after the 2016 election defeat. The question is whether or not the Democratic party and Democratic voters are humble enough to take responsibility for the 2016 defeat and reflect on THEIR failures to make sure it doesn't happen in 2020. Judging from so many liberal posters on this board, in the general public, and all your liberal friends who in the mainstream media across the country, you guys haven't learned a thing. What should have been a soul searching session to see where you guys went wrong has instead been one continuous over two year screaming hissy fit that would make a spoiled three year old child who had his/her favorite toy ripped away on Christmas morning jealous.
Your party did well in the 2018 midterms particularly in the House but somehow managed to defy historical midterm election trends by actually losing a couple of seats in the Senate. A difficult feat historically in a midterm election of a first term President...especially one as controversial as this one who is absolutely despised by half the country. That doesn't bode too well for the Democrats in 2020 given that an incumbent President (even a controversial one like Trump) is much tougher to defeat in a presidential election than it is to take one house of Congress his party controls in a midterm election. If the economy remains anything like it currently is thru the next election it's going to take more than "RESISTANCE!!!!" or a partisan impeachment vote for the Democratic challenger to defeat Trump in 2020.
Btw, it would also help the Democratic party if they manage to nominate someone...anyone who isn't a "Democratic Socialist"....i.e..a socialist. The crazy, math illiterate, economy destroying, pie in the sky policies that political philosophy endorses would be a complete trainwreck disaster for the country the minute that platform was implemented. I pray every day this country doesn't have to learn that the hard way by becoming the latest in a growing list of countries destroyed by socialist policies.
For me, it is all about Trump. He does not represent America's values and is an embarrassment for America. I would not have a problem with Mitt Romney or John McCain, even though I don't agree with their politics (when McCain was alive), but both those guys are/were ethical, moral and intelligent. They don't grope women and then brag about it and they don't pay off bimbos to keep quiet about extramarital affairs, and they don't lie constantly. The Presidency is about character. Trump just doesn't have it.
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