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But the left has ALWAYS been about top down control, a powerful federal government and a marginalization of states rights. That's what caused the Civil War in the first place not just slavery.
Democrats are the ones pushing their policies nationwide, not content to just have it in their own states. Its in their nature to push their leftism on those of us in Red America. For example besides abortion they also want stricter gun laws nationwide even though its their Democrat controlled urban areas that suffer from gun violence yet they want to restrict gun rights in rural America even though gun violence simply isn't a problem in rural areas. They also wanted to force Obamacare nationwide - it wasn't enough for Massachusetts to have socialized medicine. They also wanted to force all states to have gay marriage going against our culture and religion here. The Obama EPA went to Appalachia and launched the war on coal even though nobody in WV or Kentucky wanted them there and supported the coal miners.
We don't go up to Chicago and tell them they can't have those ridiculous gun laws, We don't tell California they can't have ridiculous emissions laws that cause them to have the highest gas prices in the nation. So yes its better on all these issues for us to just leave one another alone.
That's simply tough how rural people in a democracy can't always rule and have their way. For instance, in Oklahoma, most rural counties were quite strongly opposed to legalizing medical marijuana by up to 60 to 70%. But they were overwhelmed by the urban vote. Medical marijuana won by 57%. Now, a rural legislator's bill to allow counties to vote to ban all marijuana probably won't pass.
Speaking of ObamaCare, if rural America thinks it's wrong and immoral to accept any more Medicaid, then it's their loss when hospitals close. Also as more and more rural Americans move out from there, don't be surprised if their priorities are less and less represented from state capitols to Washington, DC.
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Red states are not pushing to ban abortion, gun control, or obamacare nationwide. Its the left that is forcing THEIR policies nationwide. So Roe vs Wade isn't about protecting abortion in New York and California its about forcing us here in Louisiana to accept it.
Louisiana law does say that as soon as Roe vs Wade is repealed, abortion will end here. There are only 3 abortion clinics in the entire state and that's 3 too many. Being pro-life is the one issue that nearly all voters in Louisiana agree on regardless of our racial and religious differences. No politician of either party can hope to win an election outside the immediate city of New Orleans without being pro-life.
So you quite strongly believe that Louisiana should become an export state of abortion by banning all abortion there. Just how moral is that, like when women die requiring an abortion during their travels to get them in legal states? OR do you pretty strongly believe such woman deserve as much as death from doing that? If so, so much for being pro life.
By the way, does Louisiana law make clear that sales of all contraceptives must be banned should Roe v. Wade be overturned. If not, then you're wrong for thinking all abortion will end in Louisiana. Many pro-life people strongly believe that contraceptives are the same as abortion.
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Just to play devil's advocate - what would happen to all those babies? Parent's either can't afford them or don't want them for one reason or another. They will be of all different races and some will have physical problems/birth defects. Do you think there are enough responsible people out there to adopt ALL of them? Do you support gov't funded health care for the babies that have serious health issues? What about funds to take care of the babies if the poor parents decide to keep the child? IOW, what are you willing to do to make sure these babies have a decent chance at life after they are born?
Same-sex marriage angers a lot of people but I think overall America will be able to live with it provided that businesses are allowed to discriminate on religious grounds (yes, we will probably have to concede this to the Christian Right in the coming years). However I believe abortion is the one no-compromise issue and I wonder if overturning Roe v Wade is necessary at this point in order to bring some sense of civility back to politics. Blue states can allow abortions and red states can ban them. Meanwhile 40% of the country won't have to continue to support a madman for the greater good of ending abortion. The Christian Right will lose much of its reason for existing as a political bloc once Roe v Wade is overturned. Getting religion out of politics is at the top of the list with a bullet exactly what this country needs right now. Note that I don't support the overturn of Roe v Wade, I'm just being realistic about where we are at right now.
I personally think the government needs to get out of marriage period. No more different tax brackets for being married, no more special laws protecting a spouse against testifying. If someone wants to have a marriage and have a ceremony, have at it. If someone wants to change their name so they can take their beloved's name, there are already laws on the books to help with that. Same with child custody and what not.
The supreme Court almost never reverses a previously decision case. They consider it settled and law.
They have done a complete 180 on several occasions. Plessy v. Ferguson was overturned for example. We'll see what happens.
The thing that absolutely baffles me: How is this a Constitutional matter? Every other matter determining who has the right to live, defining murder vs self-defense vs involuntary manslaughter, and anything else to do with the criminalization of terminating human life is defined by State and Local governments. The Supreme Court has had a very bad habit of overreaching and exceeding its authority. Heck, according to the Constitution, the SCOTUS really hasn't got much authority at all, but even the authority that everyone grants them by tradition, they seriously had to make sh-t up to make it a Constitutional matter. Whether you're pro-abortion or anti-abortion, the matter should have never been ruled on by the Supreme Court and the Federal Government has no business weighing in on it at all. Seriously, can anyone tell me how you fit abortions into interstate and/or international trade?
Just to play devil's advocate - what would happen to all those babies? Parent's either can't afford them or don't want them for one reason or another. They will be of all different races and some will have physical problems/birth defects. Do you think there are enough responsible people out there to adopt ALL of them? Do you support gov't funded health care for the babies that have serious health issues? What about funds to take care of the babies if the poor parents decide to keep the child? IOW, what are you willing to do to make sure these babies have a decent chance at life after they are born?
I’m not for abortion but this has been my big problem with those looking to banned it to save the life of the child many of 5hose are opposed to more support to make sure those children have a better chance at life once they are born. They are the first to complain about food stamps etc, remember the welfare mothers that would have children just to get government aid.
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