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Both the Democrat and Republican parties are right authoritarian on the political compass. Very little difference between the two. Not much out there that really believes in liberty.
Sanders is the closest thing to a centrist.
OK, I hate Trump, but he is more authoritarian than Stalin? Margaret Thatcher is equivalent to Robert Mugabe? This chart can't be take seriously.
Note, you have those people who say we are overpopulated as a world as is (I don't know if I agree with it). But embracing/approving of homosexual relationships does, in no way (in my view) stop incentives to have children. Indeed, people are going to be in homosexual relationships regardless of whether government approves, though many more will do so in secret if government is openly hostile to them living their lives (we've seen this throughout history and even see it in many places throughout the world today). On the contrary, though, I feel that the embrace of homosexual relationships is excellent for society and for child rearing. Indeed, embracing homosexual relationships leads to more gays/lesbians living their lives out in the open, which leads more to want to start families, which often includes adopting children (if they choose not to have children of their own). While some single homosexuals will choose to biologically reproduce or adopt children, I will remain of the opinion that two parent households are, as a general rule, better for raising children than single parent households are. Embracing homosexual relationships will help out in this regard.
There is a lot to unpack in this post.
So rather than assume what you mean on a couple of things, let me ask you a few questions for clarification.
When you say embracing homo couples is excellent for society and child rearing, what do you mean exactly?
You went on to expound a little, but I am not sure your reasoning is sound as it relates to the aspect of society needing to have more children.
While 330+ million citizens might sound like a lot, if couples have less than 2.3 kids, those numbers of viable functioning workers/taxpayers, etc. will dwindle quickly within a few generations.
While I agree that two parent households are better than one, you still have the problem of reproducing kids.
Second, while I presume most people who are homo are inherently that way, some are not. Many kids apparently go through sexual identity issues at some point in their adolescence. If their role models are their parents of the same sex, could that not have an influence on which potential orientation they choose?
Now before you give me the canned/standard line of being born that way, remember there are examples of Bi's, and some people who have chosen homo relationships over hetero ones.
Lastly, what is your opinion as to why homo couples might want to have kids compared to hetero couples. What I mean to ask is that much of a humans sex drive is biological to perpetuate the species and carry on the genetic DNA from the ancestral line.
Obviously that is not going to happen with a homo couple.
So does a desire for them to have kids equate to trying to emulate a typical heteros life, possibly because of societal norms?
Both the Democrat and Republican parties are right authoritarian on the political compass. Very little difference between the two. Not much out there that really believes in liberty.
Sanders is the closest thing to a centrist.
No personal offense since you did not create that absurd chart/graph, but it is weaksauce at best.
As to Sanders being a centrist, someone was smoking way too much dope to think that is accurate in American society.
He calls himself a socialist, yet he is a communist, but cannot come out and run on it, knowing it would scuttle him.
Most gays are Democrats. What they don't realize is Democrats are pro-Muslim, the religion that kills gays.
Indeed, yet many homos do not realize that Islamic efforts to promote Sharia law would result in their demise.
No other mainstream religion that I am familiar with promotes harm to homos like Islam does. Granted, traditional Judaism has some of those beliefs, but thankfully the Jewish people themselves do not go around looking to convert or kill homos.
There is a lot to unpack in this post.
So rather than assume what you mean on a couple of things, let me ask you a few questions for clarification.
When you say embracing homo couples is excellent for society and child rearing, what do you mean exactly?
You went on to expound a little, but I am not sure your reasoning is sound as it relates to the aspect of society needing to have more children.
While 330+ million citizens might sound like a lot, if couples have less than 2.3 kids, those numbers of viable functioning workers/taxpayers, etc. will dwindle quickly within a few generations.
While I agree that two parent households are better than one, you still have the problem of reproducing kids.
Second, while I presume most people who are homo are inherently that way, some are not. Many kids apparently go through sexual identity issues at some point in their adolescence. If their role models are their parents of the same sex, could that not have an influence on which potential orientation they choose?
Now before you give me the canned/standard line of being born that way, remember there are examples of Bi's, and some people who have chosen homo relationships over hetero ones.
Lastly, what is your opinion as to why homo couples might want to have kids compared to hetero couples. What I mean to ask is that much of a humans sex drive is biological to perpetuate the species and carry on the genetic DNA from the ancestral line.
Obviously that is not going to happen with a homo couple.
So does a desire for them to have kids equate to trying to emulate a typical heteros life, possibly because of societal norms?
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Sure, happy to expand on some points more.
1) Even if it is accepted that society needs to have more children than are currently being reproduced (there are disagreements about this), homosexual couples coming together can and do serve this goal as you'll have homosexual couples who will have biological children as a family who would otherwise not have biological children on their own (you don't need to be heterosexual to have biological children). More fundamentally, though, my point about adopting children (for those who don't want to have biological children) being beneficial for society (I wasn't making the point that adoption is the same as having children, just that it is beneficial for society) rests on the premise that it is better for children currently in understaffed, often abusive environments in foster care to be raised by a loving parent/loving parents who happen to be gay vs. being left to fend for themselves at a children's home.
2) Even if we accept your position (?) that children won't be born from homosexual relationships (while two homosexuals of the same sex can't reproduce together, that takes nothing away from the fact that homosexuals can and do reproduce), the fact remains that you're going to have homosexual relationships regardless of whether homosexuality is embraced by society or not. Thus, this argument seems a bit misplaced/for naught to me. Put another way: embracing homosexual couples would, in no way, prevent heterosexual couples from coming together to have children, so even from a child-rearing point of view (which is flawed as I explained above), it makes no sense to me to be against homosexual relationships. More importantly, in light of the above and understanding the negative impact that shunning homosexuals/homosexual relationships can have on people (in terms of driving them underground, which has devastating effects on mental and sexual health, just to name two downsides), being against homosexual relationships is counterproductive to the well-being of society in my view.
3) While I don't know if I believe that everybody is born gay, I definitely don't believe that people choose to be gay as in its something they can just turn on and off all willy-nilly, even though gays have served in heterosexual relationships for various reasons (some discussed before); if someone is bi, they are even more flexible Indeed, knowing the **** that they have to put up with (from being ostracized to being kicked out of their homes by unloving parents to being told that they are disgraces and doomed to hell to being subject to other forms of hatred), who in their right mind would choose to subject themselves to all of that? But, yes, I do believe that environment helps shape who we are going to be/love/be interested in (I don't subscribe to the fact that you're born either gay or straight, but rather society and personal experiences determine your orientation . . . and no one experience or environment will have the same impact on people). Indeed, there is no doubt in my mind that if we lived in a society where homosexual relationships/love was the norm (as opposed to the hetero-normative society we live in) that you'd have far more homosexuals present in that society. Still, I don't think its something that you can just choose to turn on and off.
4) Lastly, I'll repeat that heterosexual couples can have their own biological children, too. The fact that the child won't be the biological offspring of both parents doesn't change this. At the end of the day, the end result would be the same: children being reproduced/brought into this world anew as the result of some action taken by the couple/individual (i.e. surrogacy, PIV intercourse, etc.). And I'd imagine that homosexual couples want to have children for the same reason that heterosexual couples want to have children, though I'd wager that this is hardly the main reason that drives sex in heterosexual relationships; if that was so, heterosexual couples would only have sex at certain times of the month and would cease having sex as soon as a pregnancy was confirmed; but that is not the norm. No, I submit that people (both homosexual and heterosexual) have sex overwhelmingly because it feels good.
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If you are part of the LGBTQ community and you are a republican, just remember that our Vice President, Mike Pence, fought like hell against the legalization of gay marriage in Indiana.
And once he lost that fight, Mike Pence then tried to pass legislation that would have anybody who applied for a gay marriage license arrested on sight.
Also, there are currently 12 LGBT members of Congress. ALL 12 OF THEM ARE DEMOCRATS, zero LGBTQ republicans in congress.
Oh, and many evangelicals, all of them republicans, feel that homosexuality is one of the unforgivable sins.
If you are part of the LGBTQ community and you are a republican, just remember that our Vice President, Mike Pence, fought like hell against the legalization of gay marriage in Indiana.
And once he lost that fight, Mike Pence then tried to pass legislation that would have anybody who applied for a gay marriage license arrested on sight.
Also, there are currently 12 LGBT members of Congress. ALL 12 OF THEM ARE DEMOCRATS, zero LGBTQ republicans in congress.
Oh, and many evangelicals, all of them republicans, feel that homosexuality is one of the unforgivable sins.
This.
I know there are a lot more LGBT conservatives than it would seem but I don't know how anybody could vote for a party that is so hostile to their civil rights. But I think I remember reading the Nazis had Jewish supporters so anything is possible I guess.
If you are part of the LGBTQ community and you are a republican, just remember that our Vice President, Mike Pence, fought like hell against the legalization of gay marriage in Indiana.
And once he lost that fight, Mike Pence then tried to pass legislation that would have anybody who applied for a gay marriage license arrested on sight.
Also, there are currently 12 LGBT members of Congress. ALL 12 OF THEM ARE DEMOCRATS, zero LGBTQ republicans in congress.
Oh, and many evangelicals, all of them republicans, feel that homosexuality is one of the unforgivable sins.
And Bill Clinton signed into law the Defense of Marriage Act. And Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama opposed gay marriage until fairly recently.
And African Americans--a very significant Dem voting bloc--remain generally opposed to gay marriage and homophobia in the black community remains a serious problems, in large part due to the influence of the black church on community and culture (and include many people who believe that homosexuality is an "unforgivable sin"). I find it funny that people who go after Republicans on gay issues are silent about these points.
Still, as I've mentioned before, being against changing a definition of marriage that has been around for thousands of years doesn't inherently make someone homophobic.
And Bill Clinton signed into law the Defense of Marriage Act. And Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama opposed gay marriage until fairly recently.
And African Americans--a very significant Dem voting bloc--remain generally opposed to gay marriage and homophobia in the black community remains a serious problems, in large part due to the influence of the black church on community and culture. I find it funny that people who go after Republicans on gay issues are silent about these points.
If you're going to be honest with yourself, you will acknowledge that it is overwhelmingly republicans that have issues with gays. It's not like it's a secret. There are people on this very thread who can't help but call them homos, a known derogatory word against gays, and those posters are not of the democrat variety.
If you're going to be honest with yourself, you will acknowledge that it is overwhelmingly republicans that have issues with gays. It's not like it's a secret. There are people on this very thread who can't help but call them homos, a known derogatory word against gays, and those posters are not of the democrat variety.
I can acknowledge that, from a partisan viewpoint, it is mainly Republicans who have issues with gays, though even most Republicans back same sex marriage and the younger generation of Republicans shows tremendous support for gay rights. But you are dishonest with yourself if you won't acknowledge that a significant number of Democrats also have problems with gays (and not just with changing a definition of marriage). Have you lived life in a traditional black community in this country? This is a major problem that I've found on this issue. Many on the left are loathe to call out groups on/within the left who are guilty of the same behavior/ideas/beliefs that they'll attack folks on the right for.
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Indeed, knowing the **** that they have to put up with (from being ostracized to being kicked out of their homes by unloving parents to being told that they are disgraces and doomed to hell to being subject to other forms of hatred), who in their right mind would choose to subject themselves to all of that? But, yes, I do believe that environment helps shape who we are going to be/love/be interested in (I don't subscribe to the fact that you're born either gay or straight, but rather society and personal experiences determine your orientation . . . and no one experience or environment will have the same impact on people). Indeed, there is no doubt in my mind that if we lived in a society where homosexual relationships/love was the norm (as opposed to the hetero-normative society we live in) that you'd have far more homosexuals present in that society. Still, I don't think its something that you can just choose to turn on and off. 
