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Old 03-03-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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and we should talk? we taken the word of our intel criminals to start wars and invade countries for decades.....ever since Vietnam to Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lybia and Yemen.


We should start cleaning our house before we judge other countries.

we can walk and chew gum
(your argument is fallacious)
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Old 03-03-2019, 11:49 AM
 
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This is ALL a deception! I think its curious how the media and other presidents/administrations, have depicted NK, and Kin JUng Un,,,they would like us to believe he is some crazy wack a do...but the North Korean state media does the exact same thing in depicting americans as horrible people who kill and eat babies for breakfast!


My point is, we really dont know if any of this is true about NK, the only info we have is what media and govt tells us....that is where I start to have doubts


The rest of the world is not confused .



For YOU (rsteven) to be correct would require a global conspiracy involving dozens of governments working hand in glove with HUNDREDS of private entities, including NGOs focused on providing aid, watchdog groups, investment houses, econ forecasting services.... Private global imaging services...

IT would require millions of people to conspire and not one single one make a mistake once over 50 years, nor a single one breaking ranks or simply choosing "not to play". it is the "just one or two " filter.

does your idea require EVERYONE to be in cahoots? if so the idea is almost always wrong...


Think about that RSteven. Not a single gov across the entire world dissents . NOT ONE. Not a single NGO disagrees, No major Party, No major foundation or think tank.


Now Steven, take what i just said and apply such filter when you just find something "curious"...
Whenever you have an idea that conflicts strongly with the status quo... test the idea...
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Old 03-03-2019, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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You mean the "intelligence agencies" that gave us Iraq?

Are they any more trustworthy than Kim or Putin?

Debatable.
Trump has to pick one to believe: Putin or the CIA. The CIA may be wrong, but if so, the damage to the US is less than the damage to the US by choosing to believe an adversary. It is a no brainer - whether the CIA has a poor track record or not, the rational choice is always to believe them. But that sort of thinking is beyond Trump since he is a self-proclaimed genius.
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Lexington, Kentucky
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Trump has to pick one to believe: Putin or the CIA. The CIA may be wrong, but if so, the damage to the US is less than the damage to the US by choosing to believe an adversary. It is a no brainer - whether the CIA has a poor track record or not, the rational choice is always to believe them. But that sort of thinking is beyond Trump since he is a self-proclaimed genius.
^A self proclaimed genuis who had to have his lawyer threaten his High School and College
from releasing his grades.
Such a stable genius.
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Over his own intelligence agencies?
Are you referring to the same intelligence agency that pushed the dirty dossier. The same people who had an insurance policy if Trump won the presidency.
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Old 03-03-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This is ALL a deception! I think its curious how the media and other presidents/administrations, have depicted NK, and Kin JUng Un,,,they would like us to believe he is some crazy wack a do...but the North Korean state media does the exact same thing in depicting americans as horrible people who kill and eat babies for breakfast!


My point is, we really dont know if any of this is true about NK, the only info we have is what media and govt tells us....that is where I start to have doubts
So you are telling us that North Korea doesn't damn near torture its own people trying to defect due to harsh living conditions... https://www.businessinsider.com/what...-escape-2018-6
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Old 03-03-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Over his own intelligence agencies?

Can I read where he told us that? Link?
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Old 03-03-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: USA
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You mean the "intelligence agencies" that gave us Iraq?

Are they any more trustworthy than Kim or Putin?

Debatable.

The Bush administration seized on a few small inconsequential leads that Al Qaeda had some presence in Northern Iraq as a premise to invade the country.
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Old 03-03-2019, 01:56 PM
 
Location: USA
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Can I read where he told us that? Link?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...ce-sot-vpx.cnn
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Old 03-03-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Are you referring to the same intelligence agency that pushed the dirty dossier. The same people who had an insurance policy if Trump won the presidency.

The same ones who colluded with foreign govts against Trump.
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