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Old 03-03-2019, 11:14 PM
 
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To those who would like a socialized healthcare system for the U.S. How would you prevent this from becoming common in the U.S if we had a socialized system?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7stuJwu0sC4
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:01 AM
 
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No healthcare system is perfect and i wouldnt judge a healthcare system on the few few whose experience is less than ideal, America has its own problems with outragious cost for insurance and pharmaceuticals to the point where tens of millions just cant afford it.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:15 AM
 
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Are you terrified of Medicare and want to eliminate it because you are afraid of long waiting times? America actually has longer waiting times on plenty of procedures than universal health care countries.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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How would I prevent what from happening? Oh, you want me to watch some video to figure out what your point is?

If all you're gonna do is post a YouTube video, why not just comment on it in YouTube? If I want to watch videos, I will go to YouTube.
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:29 AM
 
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Is everybody rich in America that they can all afford private medical insurance?
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Old 03-04-2019, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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I watched the video. Perhaps the reason it made the news is because it is very unusual for the UK's NHS. If this kind of thing was normal, I'd suggest it would never make the news.

There's a couple of things in there that stand out:

First, "If this was in England, things would be different," followed shortly by (paraphrased), "Which means this is political; England is Conservative while Wales is Labour." This tells me that the man's delay may not be a result of socialized medicine; it instead may be an allegation that the delay is a result of the political differences between England and Wales. Unfair to the patient, I agree; but it could be politics, not socialized medicine, that may be the cause of the delay.

Secondly, at no point in that video did I hear about cost. It was obviously costing him nothing out-of-pocket to be tested, diagnosed, and scheduled for treatment, no matter how far out, time-wise. His pharmaceuticals during his waiting time were covered (perhaps with a very small co-pay). His physician tests and eventual treatment were obviously covered. The interview concentrated on his wait time, not whether or not his insurance would pay, as I so often hear from Americans.

Without doubt, waiting for his treatment is a PITA, but the patient gave the interview from his kitchen table--not helpless in his own bed, or waiting for an insurance company's "death panel" to decide his treatment. He spoke from his kitchen table--he was hardly at death's door.
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Old 03-04-2019, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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A friend had a bad experience with socialized healthcare -he went to get some stitches removed (he was bitten by a goat), and came back minus his head, both arms, and a leg. He later found out, that his heart was missing

No way I'll let those commie butchers anywhere near me -would rather go to a witch doctor.
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:01 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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To those who would like a socialized healthcare system for the U.S. How would you prevent this from becoming common in the U.S if we had a socialized system?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7stuJwu0sC4
I am in the UK, my Mrs has Muscular Dystrophy, if you want a true reflection on the NHS you could always ask me? The NHS have been nothing short of wonderful in their care, my Mrs has regular check-ups, blood and heart and physio, she has seen her own GP and specialists and ALL for free, lord knows what would have happened if we had to pay for it all, it would cost us thousands of pounds. There seems to be a lot of 'scare' stories about the NHS doing the rounds in the US...............I wonder why that is? Could it perhaps be to brainwash everybody in to thinking that the quite frankly expensive system you have is perfect? I wonder why they would want people to think that? Its hardly rocket science is it? But here is the thing, in the UK you have options, you don't have to use the NHS if you don't want to, you can also go 'private', which many people do, something else that doesn't seem to be taken into consideration, why not have that option 'over there?' Then perhaps everybody can be happy - except the people in the medical industry 'over there' that are creaming it of course!
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The NHS in England (excluding Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) deals with over 1 million patients every 36 hours.36

In 2015/16 there were 40 per cent more operations ('procedures and interventions' as defined by Hospital Episode Statistics, excluding diagnostic testing) completed by the NHS compared to 2005/06, with an increase from 7.215m to 10.119m.

There were 16.252m total hospital admissions in 2015/16, 28 per cent more than a decade earlier (12.679m).

In terms of very long waits they are rare, and usually subject to criticism from the Care Quality Commission, although the main problem in relation to many public and private healthcare systems across the world is actually an ageing population, population increase anmd more demand and an increase in life expectancy.

NHS statistics, facts and figures - NHS Confederation

As for being socialist, the UK has private healthcare and it's relatively cheap, as the NHS deals with emergencies. The main factors in relation to private healthcare in the UK are your health, your age and the degree of coverage you require. However only areound 10% of people in the UK have insurance, a figure that has remained at this low level over the decades.

Best UK Health Insurance 2019

The NHS: even more cherished than the monarchy and the army - The New Statesman

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Old 03-04-2019, 02:54 AM
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Location: Dallas, TX
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The NHS in England (excluding Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) deals with over 1 million patients every 36 hours.36

In 2015/16 there were 40 per cent more operations ('procedures and interventions' as defined by Hospital Episode Statistics, excluding diagnostic testing) completed by the NHS compared to 2005/06, with an increase from 7.215m to 10.119m.

There were 16.252m total hospital admissions in 2015/16, 28 per cent more than a decade earlier (12.679m).

In terms of very long waits they are rare, and usually subject to criticism from the Care Quality Commission.

As for being socialist, the UK has private healthcare and it's relatively cheap, as the NHS deals with emergencies. The main factors in relation to private healthcare in the UK are your health, your age and the degree of coverage you require.
Oh, the United States rations health care, too -- based on the size of your wallet. At least Europe rations it based on need.

Bernie Sanders Sets The Record Straight On Single-Payer Healthcare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXV4vFz4Qwo
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