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Old 03-04-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by shanv3 View Post
No its the people s fault because they didnt repay the loans.

Now they are not paying car loans and student loans
Banks gave them those high risk loans and ended up losing the gamble, and the taxpayers had to bail them out.

 
Old 03-04-2019, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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as a Republican and a former bank employee (long before 2008), we never should have bailed the banks out the way we did.

the right yielded to the left's desire to increase homeownership AT ANY COST of reasonable credit underwriting. In exchange, they allowed their favored constituency - Wall Street - to make a TON of money for several years before leaving us all holding a bag of poo.
 
Old 03-04-2019, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Economic miracle is a turning into an economic nightmare.

Why?

Real wage growth is -9.1% since Trump took office.

But why doesn’t it feel like the economy is growing? The answer is pretty simple: Because economic growth is not really benefitting the average American worker.
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Taking all this into account, it’s no surprise that many Americans aren’t experiencing an “economic miracle” under Trump. Nearly half — 48 percent — of Americans say they believe economic conditions are worsening. That’s up from 45 percent in December and 36 percent in November, according to a January Gallup poll.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...why/ar-BBUgH0S
I have been saying this all along. Now you have to factor in today student loan debt, than you have 34 million people asking for reparations for the past. Now the American tax payer has to pay for that too
 
Old 03-04-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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as a Republican and a former bank employee (long before 2008), we never should have bailed the banks out the way we did.

the right yielded to the left's desire to increase homeownership AT ANY COST of reasonable credit underwriting. In exchange, they allowed their favored constituency - Wall Street - to make a TON of money for several years before leaving us all holding a bag of poo.
Home ownership has been considered the American Dream, so both parties have pushed for it, and in this case it was a GOP effort.

Bush created 40 initiatives to increase home ownership.

Bush's mission to get 5.5 million low income minorities mortgages when they would not otherwise qualify for them.

- Mobilizing the Private Sector: America's Homeownership Challenge

- Establish a national goal of at least 5.5 million new minority homeowners before the end of the decade.

- Challenge the private sector real estate and mortgage finance industries to dramatically increase their efforts to reduce the barriers to homeownership faced by minority families and to work with the nonprofit sector in a concerted effort to achieve this goal through national and local partnerships.

- Convene a White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership, to highlight the homeownership barriers faced by minorities and develop proposed solutions.

- A substantial increase of at least $440 billion in the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market, specifically targeted toward the minority market;

- Twenty-five different local initiatives to be undertaken across the nation, geared toward eliminating the specific homeownership barriers faced by minority families in those communities;

- A commitment to raise $750 million in below-market-rate investments by 2007, which will work in collaboration with local homeownership initiatives and be targeted to heavily minority program areas;

- Pursuing strategic partnerships in 20 top housing markets between homebuilders, lenders, local officials, and community leaders to develop approaches that address the local challenges to building homes for minority families living in urban centers;

- Establishing of faith-based housing partnerships between the participants and at least 100 churches, mosques, synagogues, and other faith-based institutions;

- Aggressively developing new mortgage products so that conventional market alternatives are available to combat the predatory loan products that are disproportionately targeted to minorities;

- Creating new mortgage products to meet the unique needs of recent immigrants;

- Dramatically expanding financial education efforts for minorities, providing financial counseling to at least 380,000 minority families, and taking measures at the local level to reduce predatory lending; and

- Establishing multilingual, consumer-oriented internet Web sites designed to help minorities overcome barriers to homeownership, including creation of a central data bank of affordable housing programs made available to real estate agents when working with clients.
 
Old 03-04-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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According to Trumpies ALL of this is fake news. They will tell you flat out that we are in the midst of a boom..an economic miracle spurred on by increased manufacturing, vastly higher wages and benefits and tax cuts.

In the end, perception is reality. If Trump stood in front of the country today and said the above, 40% or more would believe him. And those 40% are likely largely those who aren't making it.

That's authoritarianism - people truly thought Stalin was feeding their country well also. Like these Americans, the Russians were just not aware of how they COULD be living if the country was not a kleptocracy.
 
Old 03-04-2019, 05:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry View Post
When Clinton lowered the investment tax.

Wage gap is meaningless. It's about a quality product for a fair price.

Americans dont save. Understood

One has to work for that. It doesn't just happen

His lie was raising taxes when he said he wouldn't

We don't need the progressivism that you preach. It's always failed.
But great post.

1 YES as i have said 100 times, BOTH parties are too blame, the Right far more than the centrist left.

2 WRONG I said WEALTH GAP not wage. Your response was that of someone who can't deal with facts.

3 WRONG.
defined pensions worked, 401ks were a cheap way to shift the burden of risk to the workers. Your inability to understand this tells me you don't really grasp the topic and are instead giving yourself an easy "out"


4 that is just you failing to understand what an anecdote is.

5 WRONG, Reagan's lie was trickle down economics, it did not work here, it did not work in the UK and 40 years later we have the proof.


Let's be honest, what you call "progressivism: the rest of the world calls monday.

There is nothing radical about a balanced society, there is nothing extreme about being a reasonable human being. Nothing wierd or lazy about a hard working family having the expectation that they can retire and not have to go back to work to meet co pays because one of them gets a long term illness...
 
Old 03-04-2019, 05:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Home ownership has been considered the American Dream, so both parties have pushed for it, and in this case it was a GOP effort.

Bush created 40 initiatives to increase home ownership.

Bush's mission to get 5.5 million low income minorities mortgages when they would not otherwise qualify for them.

- Mobilizing the Private Sector: America's Homeownership Challenge

- Establish a national goal of at least 5.5 million new minority homeowners before the end of the decade.

- Challenge the private sector real estate and mortgage finance industries to dramatically increase their efforts to reduce the barriers to homeownership faced by minority families and to work with the nonprofit sector in a concerted effort to achieve this goal through national and local partnerships.

- Convene a White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership, to highlight the homeownership barriers faced by minorities and develop proposed solutions.

- A substantial increase of at least $440 billion in the financial commitment made by the government-sponsored enterprises involved in the secondary mortgage market, specifically targeted toward the minority market;

- Twenty-five different local initiatives to be undertaken across the nation, geared toward eliminating the specific homeownership barriers faced by minority families in those communities;

- A commitment to raise $750 million in below-market-rate investments by 2007, which will work in collaboration with local homeownership initiatives and be targeted to heavily minority program areas;

- Pursuing strategic partnerships in 20 top housing markets between homebuilders, lenders, local officials, and community leaders to develop approaches that address the local challenges to building homes for minority families living in urban centers;

- Establishing of faith-based housing partnerships between the participants and at least 100 churches, mosques, synagogues, and other faith-based institutions;

- Aggressively developing new mortgage products so that conventional market alternatives are available to combat the predatory loan products that are disproportionately targeted to minorities;

- Creating new mortgage products to meet the unique needs of recent immigrants;

- Dramatically expanding financial education efforts for minorities, providing financial counseling to at least 380,000 minority families, and taking measures at the local level to reduce predatory lending; and

- Establishing multilingual, consumer-oriented internet Web sites designed to help minorities overcome barriers to homeownership, including creation of a central data bank of affordable housing programs made available to real estate agents when working with clients.

The intent was good, the lack of oversight and deregulating was a cluster duck.

Without serious regulation enforcement it always ends the same way... loopholes work arounds and a way to make a pile of cash out of it. Bush's biggest mistake was not providing oversight.

Keep in mind Bill Clinton helped, it was not just Bush...
 
Old 03-04-2019, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Economic miracle is a turning into an economic nightmare.

Why?

Real wage growth is -9.1% since Trump took office.
You mean fancy mathematical acrobatics that manipulate data to get preconceived results, while simultaneously distorting the truth.

It's unfortunate, but your government has never once attempted to differentiate between the various forms of Inflation and it reports an aggregate of all types of Inflation, rather than breaking them down.

You have Monetary Inflation, Cost-push Inflation, Demand-pull Inflation and two others.

One of these things is not like the others ♫...

That's a song from Sesame Street, and the great lot of you need to be watching that show to learn about life and why things are the way they are.

Monetary Inflation, Cost-push Inflation and Demand-pull Inflation have different causal factors, and because they do, there is no one-size-fits-all solution.

It's like a paper fire and a grease fire. Throw water on a paper fire and it goes out. Throw water on a grease fire and it doesn't go out...it spreads. You need a different solution, like foam or dust.

Inflation is like that, only different.

Monetary Inflation is caused by fiscal policies. The Laws of Economics say wages should rise, wages do rise, and there has never been any case throughout history in the entire World where wages have not risen in response to Monetary Inflation.

Your wages have risen and are rising in response to Monetary Inflation, except the rate of Monetary Inflation in your economy is negligible.

When the government reports an annual Inflation rate of 2.5%, only 0.3% to 0.5% is Monetary Inflation.

The other 2.0% to 2.2% is Cost-push and Demand-pull Inflation.

Fiscal policies can never affect Cost-push or Demand-pull Inflation.

The cause of Cost-push Inflation is your governments -- all of them -- city, county, State and federal.

You elect the people who enact taxes and regulations, which cause the prices of goods and services to increase, then you complain because the prices of goods and services have increased, and then you have the unmitigated gall to demand that your wages be increased to offset the price increases you told the people you elected to enact in the first place.

That's self-serving.

You elected the people who levied a regulation to use corn for ethanol.

That took corn out of the food market and drove up the price of food, because other than actually eating corn, corn products like corn starch, corn flour, corn meal, corn flakes, corn oil, light corn syrup, dark corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup and other products are used in nearly all of your non-corn foods and beverages, not to mention it increases the price of pet food.

Not only are you paying more for food, you're paying more for gasoline, because you use corn to make ethanol for gasoline.

And you want your wages to increase?

Wrong answer. That's not how the Laws of Economics work.

The right answer is to elect people who will eliminate that regulation and reduce food prices and pet food prices and gasoline prices.

You can use sugar beets, which no one eats anyway.

Sugar beets yield 714 gallons of ethanol per acre, compared to 354 gallons per acre for corn, and because sugar beets are 70% water, you only need 1.5 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of ethanol, instead of using the 2.5 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of corn ethanol.

And you have 35 Million acres of fallow farmland in Ohio to grow sugar beets, and 854 Million acres of fallow farmland across the US, so it's not like there's a shortage of land to grow sugar beets.

So, not only would you reduce food prices, you'd reduce pet food prices, and the price of gasoline, and you'd conserve water, unless your goal is to deplete the water supply in the US as fast as you can.

If you don't have the courage to elect the people who will do that, then suffer in silence.

However, the majority of your Inflation is Demand-pull Inflation.

Demand-pull Inflation is a built-in safety mechanism that protects and prevents resources, goods and services from being depleted, over-used or over-consumed.

It happens when Demand exceeds Supply, and housing is a prime example that everyone can readily see.

Wages are not supposed to rise.

Increasing wages to match Demand-pull Inflation causes prices to rise even higher and at faster intervals.

Ultimately, you'll reach a point where the resource is gone, or the goods or services are no longer available, or there is no possible way to increase wages further, at which point everyone is a loser.

There are only two solutions for Demand-pull Inflation: stop consuming, which is the primary goal of Demand-pull Inflation force consumers to stop consuming, or increase Supply to match the rate of increase in Demand.

The problem is that increasing Supply isn't always possible. Even when it is possible, it often isn't profitable.

That's where you stand with food prices. Since no one can operate at a loss, no farmers are entering the corn market. You have to wait until prices go higher and are at a break-even point, except few people are willing to operate at break-even, so you have to wait until prices go even higher, so that a profit can be made.

The same is true for housing. If you spend $1.5 Million to build a 12-family unit, you have to be able to charge a rent that will pay off the loan, cover the insurance, cover the property taxes, cover maintenance, cover the cost of water, plus generate a profit so that you have funds to start a new construction project to increase the housing supply.

So, in the end, if you're upset over "real" wages, then know that you have only yourself to blame.
 
Old 03-04-2019, 08:00 PM
 
Location: VA, IL, FL, SD, TN, NC, SC
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Not a liberal. Just sharing what's going on.

You don't have to be a liberal to admit the economy collapsed with 43. You probably do have to be a die-hard Republican to pretend it didn't happen.

41 actually tried to do something about the debt which tripled under Reagan, but ended up breaking his own promise in the process, and it cost him.
Sorry, if you took it that way; I was not attempting to denigrate you. I was referencing the professional media in the link you provided. My observation is, it is game on again.

For what it is worth i never voted for 43 (nor Gore, nor Kerry). I think 43 was one of the best presidents the Democrats ever had in terms of advancing the Democrat's agenda and among the most despicable President's in the country's history. I did not think it could have gotten worse than 43 but then we got Obama. IMO, compared to those two, Trump is a breath of fresh air.

Cheers...
 
Old 03-04-2019, 08:08 PM
 
Location: VA, IL, FL, SD, TN, NC, SC
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Banks gave them those high risk loans and ended up losing the gamble, and the taxpayers had to bail them out.
Actually the taxpayers did not have to bail them, the Bush administration, and two houses of Congress forced the taxpayers to bail them out. Obama continued the tradition or crony capitalism and put it on steroids. The tax paying public is constantly being furry-kittened by their government.
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