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Old 03-06-2019, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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An article from Novemember but


https://www.motherjones.com/environm...bon-footprint/


It should be worth noting, that the same people who complain about the carbon footprint from cars, trucks, buses and motorcycles also never seem to go after video games, hmmm could it be because video games are by nature a very liberal and progressive institution

Still, where are tree huggers complaining about this?

Also

New gen consoles consume more electricity than their previous gen counterparts

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/05/yo...rgy-than-ever/


Hmmm should we start banning video games now in the name of energy efficiency
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:45 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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What I want to know is how do gamers find the money to pay off the electric bills??????

One video game = 25 combined power plants? Whoever wrote that is certifiable or else being so vague that the article is essentially worthless.

But go ahead and add video games to the list of things lefties want to deprive you of alongside hamburgers.
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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What I want to know is how do gamers find the money to pay off the electric bills??????

One video game = 25 combined power plants? Whoever wrote that is certifiable or else being so vague that the article is essentially worthless.

But go ahead and add video games to the list of things lefties want to deprive you of alongside hamburgers.
Oh no, I don't even care about banning video games as they're still one of my comfortable forms of entertainment


In fact that's kind of what that is poking fun at


But at least look into the 2nd article


Video game consoles DO consume consume more electricity every generation and it isn't rocket science to figure out that our consoles are getting more powerful, more powerful consoles require more energy to operate


One blame game or the other


Cars and video games are like brothers, they are 2 of the most popular consumerist items in the developed world and they are the money pits of modern mass societies


Depending on the car or video game console of course.
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:03 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Oh no, I don't even care about banning video games as they're still one of my comfortable forms of entertainment


In fact that's kind of what that is poking fun at


But at least look into the 2nd article


Video game consoles DO consume consume more electricity every generation and it isn't rocket science to figure out that our consoles are getting more powerful, more powerful consoles require more energy to operate


One blame game or the other


Cars and video games are like brothers, they are 2 of the most popular consumerist items in the developed world and they are the money pits of modern mass societies


Depending on the car or video game console of course.
OK, the second article makes more sense than the first one did. The first was just pure hyperbole. I'm not a gamer but I noticed that the electric bill went up after my gamer roommate moved in, and I make him pay the difference. My sin is Christmas lights. Scandalous the amount of electricity I use every December. Let's add Christmas lights to the list of soon to be forbidden, energy hogging delights.
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:08 AM
 
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OK, the second article makes more sense than the first one did. The first was just pure hyperbole. I'm not a gamer but I noticed that the electric bill went up after my gamer roommate moved in, and I make him pay the difference. My sin is Christmas lights. Scandalous the amount of electricity I use every December. Let's add Christmas lights to the list of soon to be forbidden, energy hogging delights.
Oh please that's nothing I can assure you as Christmas is dying.

But then again who knows.
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Planet earth
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On numerous occasions I have warned people about how they probably won't like the results if the socialism and Marxism promoting pro CAGW/CACC crowd gets their way. This happens to be an area I hadn't even considered BUT it is just one of many areas where I genuinely believe that crowd will push to eliminate or ban due to gaming (in this case) being a WANT and not a productive NEED of society.


Why do I say this? If they get their way in their desire to eliminate fossil fuel electric generation, electricity will become a scarce commodity which will empower these folks to start picking and choosing which uses of electricity are and are not permissible in order to better meet the needs of society in the new world of a drastically limited electric supply.


Be careful what you demand of society as it may not turn out the way you want.


But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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An article from Novemember but


https://www.motherjones.com/environm...bon-footprint/


It should be worth noting, that the same people who complain about the carbon footprint from cars, trucks, buses and motorcycles also never seem to go after video games, hmmm could it be because video games are by nature a very liberal and progressive institution

Still, where are tree huggers complaining about this?

Also

New gen consoles consume more electricity than their previous gen counterparts

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/05/yo...rgy-than-ever/


Hmmm should we start banning video games now in the name of energy efficiency
Actually by flop newer consoles consume less energy than older consoles. Xbox One draws 112W when gaming, PS4 draws 137W, early Xbox 360 consumed 188W late 121W, early PS3 consumed 170-200W gaming, late 120-140W. Both consoles had revisions a couple of years prior to release of Gen 4 which lowered consumption below the early Gen 4, but, the vast majority of user consoles are/were not those revisions.

Also remember Xbox 360 could just achieve screen resolutions of 1080p (1960x1080 pixels) at 30fps Xbox One X achieves 4k (3140x2160 pixels), at 60fps so 8 times the screen fill rate for less power than a version 1 and 3 Xbox 360..Xbox One X consumes less power at Xbox One resolutions than Xbox One and equal Xbox One power consumption at 4k HDR resolutions.

So the claim newer generation consoles consume more power than older generations is bogus.

Throw in PC and you're looking from PC power consumption from 300W to 800W, and an install base of 1.5B.

Further cell phones typically consume 2kWh a year, however their install base is enormous. 2.5 Billion, compared to a 130M install base (combined consoles).

All of these are used for video gaming. Why pick on consoles when PC makes them look like small potatoes, and while smart phones seems low annually, you have to consider power consumption not just from the phone, but on servers being used to support the phones gaming (level downloads, stats retention, etc.) This applies to PC and console, but the unit cost of servers per connection is pretty consistent across phones, PCs and consoles, and there are 1/10th the consoles as PCs and around 1/6th of phones.

Then you'd need to look at the power consumption of alternative entertainment to videogames to see net benefit. If all 130M gamers went racing the net benefit is negative, a race session consumes more power than a year of gaming per person. The cost isn't much more than watching TV, maybe we should get rid of them too.
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Actually by flop newer consoles consume less energy than older consoles. Xbox One draws 112W when gaming, PS4 draws 137W, early Xbox 360 consumed 188W late 121W, early PS3 consumed 170-200W gaming, late 120-140W. Both consoles had revisions a couple of years prior to release of Gen 4 which lowered consumption below the early Gen 4, but, the vast majority of user consoles are/were not those revisions.

Also remember Xbox 360 could just achieve screen resolutions of 1080p (1960x1080 pixels) at 30fps Xbox One X achieves 4k (3140x2160 pixels), at 60fps so 8 times the screen fill rate for less power than a version 1 and 3 Xbox 360..Xbox One X consumes less power at Xbox One resolutions than Xbox One and equal Xbox One power consumption at 4k HDR resolutions.

So the claim newer generation consoles consume more power than older generations is bogus.

Throw in PC and you're looking from PC power consumption from 300W to 800W, and an install base of 1.5B.

Further cell phones typically consume 2kWh a year, however their install base is enormous. 2.5 Billion, compared to a 130M install base (combined consoles).

All of these are used for video gaming. Why pick on consoles when PC makes them look like small potatoes, and while smart phones seems low annually, you have to consider power consumption not just from the phone, but on servers being used to support the phones gaming (level downloads, stats retention, etc.) This applies to PC and console, but the unit cost of servers per connection is pretty consistent across phones, PCs and consoles, and there are 1/10th the consoles as PCs and around 1/6th of phones.

Then you'd need to look at the power consumption of alternative entertainment to videogames to see net benefit. If all 130M gamers went racing the net benefit is negative, a race session consumes more power than a year of gaming per person. The cost isn't much more than watching TV, maybe we should get rid of them too.
Race session
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:33 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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What I want to know is how do gamers find the money to pay off the electric bills??????

One video game = 25 combined power plants? Whoever wrote that is certifiable or else being so vague that the article is essentially worthless.

But go ahead and add video games to the list of things lefties want to deprive you of alongside hamburgers.
normally it's their parents paying the bill.
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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normally it's their parents paying the bill.
So should cars also be stigmatized in the name of environmentalism?
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