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Old 03-07-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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if you are a parent of a child that has been in HS and attended parent/student day, and spend a day in class rooms of your child, you may have experienced what I have. Not every student is motivated, not every student stays awake or is even trying to show respect for a teacher and pay attention.

We were lucky to have motivated kids, eager to learn and taking mostly AP classes, Duel Enrollment, etc.

But there were still some classes that were so called “regular” classes that had students sleeping on their desk. After talking to the teacher and asking why nothing was said to wake these students up, the teacher told me that trying to wake these kids up, etc. would take away from motivated students who loose out time due to the ones that don’t care. That was actually a good explanation and made sense.

Since HS (public school) is FREE, these kids often don’t care and are just there because they have to be there.

If Universities/Colleges are for FREE, we will have even more kids who do not want to work, rather be bored and sleep in class then being productive.

Anything that is for FREE, is not making many of them motivated as if they do not graduate they do not pay a dime back.

Where is the incentive to work hard!

Overall when someone has to pay for something they are more careful, more thoughtful, more interested to take care of what the item or goal is.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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College and Universities are not free in the USA, so how is it a disaster?
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Since HS (public school) is FREE, these kids often don’t care and are just there because they have to be there.

If Universities/Colleges are for FREE, we will have even more kids who do not want to work, rather be bored and sleep in class then being productive.
They won't "have to be there" in college. And if they do go they can drop out at any time or be flunked out.

Could be a problem handling a greater influx of first semester freshmen I guess.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:12 PM
 
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Of course, free college would carry a huge cost to taxpayers, and not a substantial “return on investment”, for all of the reasons stated above. Besides, if universities show little responsiveness to the changing skills needed for employment now, think how callous they will be when the student is no longer the payer of tuition and the proper consumer of their “product offerings”. The course catalog will be filled with even more trash.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:14 PM
 
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Not even in socialist Europe are College educations for free!

Bernie and some other dumb, “give away other peoples money”, just want to have some dummies vote for them.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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I mean high school, you go because your required. College you go because theres an actual interest in a field.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:17 PM
 
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if you are a parent of a child that has been in HS and attended parent/student day, and spend a day in class rooms of your child, you may have experienced what I have. Not every student is motivated, not every student stays awake or is even trying to show respect for a teacher and pay attention.

We were lucky to have motivated kids, eager to learn and taking mostly AP classes, Duel Enrollment, etc.

But there were still some classes that were so called “regular” classes that had students sleeping on their desk. After talking to the teacher and asking why nothing was said to wake these students up, the teacher told me that trying to wake these kids up, etc. would take away from motivated students who loose out time due to the ones that don’t care. That was actually a good explanation and made sense.

Since HS (public school) is FREE, these kids often don’t care and are just there because they have to be there.

If Universities/Colleges are for FREE, we will have even more kids who do not want to work, rather be bored and sleep in class then being productive.

Anything that is for FREE, is not making many of them motivated as if they do not graduate they do not pay a dime back.

Where is the incentive to work hard!

Overall when someone has to pay for something they are more careful, more thoughtful, more interested to take care of what the item or goal is.
Someone else has pointed out the obvious, college would not be mandated by law, high school is.

Why would someone who is not interested in college go to all the trouble to sit in a classroom and sleep when they could just stay home and sleep?

Flawed argument.

(and why do you care if other kids sleep -- sleeping students don't interfere with the ability of another student to get most out of the class -- let them sleep and fail -- it's their life).
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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I would think they’d still have to apply. At least I hope they would.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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Not even in socialist Europe are College educations for free!

Bernie and some other dumb, “give away other peoples money”, just want to have some dummies vote for them.
Not true -- there are tuition free colleges in Europe.
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Old 03-07-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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My child and peers took many of the AP courses in high school. That means that even in some of the most technical of STEM fields -- most of the kids were finished in three years.

Guess what -- that means that one year of college was free for them -- WHAT?
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