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Old 03-10-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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It's why they want to count in the Census all the illegals in the state and don't want to determine if they are illegal.
The Census is supposed to be a scientific enumeration of the amount of people in the country, and in particular places. It was never designed to be a political cudgel or immigration enforcement tool.

Let's say you were trying to figure out the attendance at a football game. Is it relevant to ask how many people actually paid for a ticket to the game, if all you're trying to do is determine how many people are in the stands?
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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The Census is supposed to be a scientific enumeration of the amount of people in the country, and in particular places. It was never designed to be a political cudgel or immigration enforcement tool.

Let's say you were trying to figure out the attendance at a football game. Is it relevant to ask how many people actually paid for a ticket to the game, if all you're trying to do is determine how many people are in the stands?
But since the job of the Census to get an accurate accounting for things, wouldn't be nicer to get a truer number of illegals in the country instead of the wide estimates we currently get?
I don't think factual numbers would be partisan, especially when the Census can't report illegal status to ICE or IRS.
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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But since the job of the Census to get an accurate accounting for things, wouldn't be nicer to get a truer number of illegals in the country instead of the wide estimates we currently get?
In theory, yes, but in practice you will have more undercounting. People who risked their lives and everything they owned to enter America aren't going to respond to a survey if they think it's going to bring ICE on them, regardless of the reality of what information the Census Bureau can or can't share with the feds.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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In theory, yes, but in practice you will have more undercounting. People who risked their lives and everything they owned to enter America aren't going to respond to a survey if they think it's going to bring ICE on them, regardless of the reality of what information the Census Bureau can or can't share with the feds.
Perhaps, but the same commercials run by the govt pushing the Census could at the same time convey the information that responders cannot be punished by their filling out the application.
Just seems dopey that the one agency designed to count people won't be allowed to do the job they were created for.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:13 PM
 
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The Census is supposed to be a scientific enumeration of the amount of people in the country, and in particular places. It was never designed to be a political cudgel or immigration enforcement tool.

Let's say you were trying to figure out the attendance at a football game. Is it relevant to ask how many people actually paid for a ticket to the game, if all you're trying to do is determine how many people are in the stands?
Thats not the point of the Census. Its to determine how many CITIZENS live in the states, because do not forget the point of taking the count at all is to apportion political representation, and the only people that are allowed representation are CITIZENS.

Its about representation of constituents. Illegals are invaders, not constituents.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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The money is slowly leaving CA. All that will be left will be the hollyweirdos and their hypocrisy will soon be apparent when they have to shoulder the tax burden.
I don't have it in front of me but if I remember correctly this is not the case. The middle class rather than the rich are the people getting squeezed out. Regardless, it's still a failure of public policy. The root of the problem is that the people who got forced to leave or couldn't move to in the first place places with expensive housing due to restrictive construction laws don't get a vote on them. So once the incumbents of a city or state go full NIMBY build-nothing-nowhere like California seems to have done it becomes an intractable problem.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:52 PM
 
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Thats not the point of the Census. Its to determine how many CITIZENS live in the states, because do not forget the point of taking the count at all is to apportion political representation, and the only people that are allowed representation are CITIZENS.

Its about representation of constituents. Illegals are invaders, not constituents.
That's your interpretation of the point of the Census.

I can put a corn cob pipe in a pig's mouth and interpret it as my grandpa, but that doesn't make it so.

It's a head count. Immigration issues are for ICE to handle.
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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... if this survey by Edelman Intelligence is accurate, a majority of Californians would like to leave or have plans to leave.
And it depends on what one reads.

California exports its poor to Texas, other states, while wealthier people move in:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/state/ca...136478098.html

Leaving California: Here's who's moving out, who's moving in: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...htmlstory.html
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:04 PM
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Even in the South, the greatest growth takes place in its least conservative areas. Just saying.
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:06 PM
 
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The desirability you're describing is mostly due to weather and natural beauty, which is not a partisan issue.
is that still desirability?
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