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Old 08-01-2019, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Originally Posted by jazzarama View Post
Malice is required only if the plaintiff is a public figure. None of the Covington students were public figures.
I would say that a melee at a protest in the Nation's capitol is a matter of public concern.

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In New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, the Court held that proof of actual malice is required for an award of damages in an action for libel involving public officials or matters of public concern. See New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964). The Court reasoned that speech related to matters of public concern is at the heart of the protections guaranteed by the First Amendment, and outweighs the State's interest in compensating individuals for damage to their reputations. This "actual malice" test created a national judicial standard for whether speerecch qualifies as libel.
Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/libel

 
Old 08-01-2019, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Anyone who thinks CNN did not have "malice" for a kid in a MAGA hat doesn't watch CNN.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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I would say that a melee at a protest in the Nation's capitol is a matter of public concern.



Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/libel
You should have read the paragraphs after NYTimes v. Sullivan. More recent cases changed the standards.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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All reports says the long version appeared on Sunday. The Diocese and the high School put out their report suggesting agreement with misbehavior by the teenagers on Saturday afternoon.

Find a source for Saturday or drop it.
The source for the Saturday, January 19 date is the Judge's ruling itself and I gave the link. Just to shut you up, here it is again:

https://www.scribd.com/document/4199...sal#from_embed
 
Old 08-01-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Originally Posted by jazzarama View Post
You should have read the paragraphs after NYTimes v. Sullivan. More recent cases changed the standards.
Does not help Sandeman. Requires actual damages. Hard to make a case there were any.

And I did find references that the long version was on the web on Saturday. But nothing that it actually got into wide circulation before Monday.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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They did the same thing in the Jussie Smollet coverage. Just another large formerly credible news source perpetuating their own new crazy agenda.
Politically, it is good for Trump that they are so reckless in their reporting.

CNN has been his biggest critic. They are trying to effect our elections, just like the Russians, and Trump can say this as many times as he wants, but some people refuse to believe it, until stuff like this happens. It is something tangible that he can point to and say, “See! Look at what they did with the Smollett coverage! Look what they did with the Covington teens!.” People can look at that objectively, and say, “Hey, I guess they DO have a political agenda they are trying to push.” Every time Trump says “Fake news”, there are proven examples for people to consider, instead of just dismissing it as a Trumpism.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Politically, it is good for Trump that they are so reckless in their reporting.

CNN has been his biggest critic. They are trying to effect our elections, just like the Russians, and Trump can say this as many times as he wants, but some people refuse to believe it, until stuff like this happens. It is something tangible that he can point to and say, “See! Look at what they did with the Smollett coverage! Look what they did with the Covington teens!.” People can look at that objectively, and say, “Hey, I guess they DO have a political agenda they are trying to push.” Every time Trump says “Fake news”, there are proven examples for people to consider, instead of just dismissing it as a Trumpism.
It is traditional for newspapers and other media to take positions on things political. Nothing new or wrong with that. The charge however that the news reporting in most of them is influenced by politics is not supported by the facts except in the head of the right wing.

Covington is a good example. No actual evidence of any 'fake news". They were of course wrong initially. But so was the church and the high school and lots of people. The misleading video got heavily promoted by various groups and got accepted as being true. However all the major media corrected the story as the truth became known.

An error did occur and will occur again. The best we can hope for is quick correction of the error. But the existance of error does not prove bias - just human fallibility.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by AnesthesiaMD View Post
Politically, it is good for Trump that they are so reckless in their reporting.

CNN has been his biggest critic. They are trying to effect our elections, just like the Russians, and Trump can say this as many times as he wants, but some people refuse to believe it, until stuff like this happens. It is something tangible that he can point to and say, “See! Look at what they did with the Smollett coverage! Look what they did with the Covington teens!.” People can look at that objectively, and say, “Hey, I guess they DO have a political agenda they are trying to push.” Every time Trump says “Fake news”, there are proven examples for people to consider, instead of just dismissing it as a Trumpism.

Exactly!


Dems don't care about floating false information, that is their forte! Dems are just having a territory dispute with Russia. Same a gangs fighting to protecting their turf.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
It is traditional for newspapers and other media to take positions on things political. Nothing new or wrong with that. The charge however that the news reporting in most of them is influenced by politics is not supported by the facts except in the head of the right wing.

Covington is a good example. No actual evidence of any 'fake news". They were of course wrong initially. But so was the church and the high school and lots of people. The misleading video got heavily promoted by various groups and got accepted as being true. However all the major media corrected the story as the truth became known.

An error did occur and will occur again. The best we can hope for is quick correction of the error. But the existance of error does not prove bias - just human fallibility.
You aren't going to recognize bias in a story because you agree with what's written. Not editorial but story.

I get the Washington Post every day but Saturday (that day is just an early Sunday paper) and every single day there will be at least one story where the reporter's view/interpretation bleeds into the story. This can be national or international news and even local stories.

It's sloppy editing or subliminal views sneaking in.
 
Old 08-01-2019, 08:27 PM
 
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Does not help Sandeman. Requires actual damages. Hard to make a case there were any.

And I did find references that the long version was on the web on Saturday. But nothing that it actually got into wide circulation before Monday.
I knew I was right to begin with and you'd find another excuse for the hatchet job on the students.

There were links to the full video in this forum the day after the event, Saturday. It was on something called the internet. No serious journalist reporting on the incident could possibly have missed that video.

In libel cases, there are non-economic damages, but I won't bother discussing that with you.
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