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As usual, anecdotes are used to vilify universal health care and instead prop up the current corrupt for-profit system we have that leaves millions high and dry.
There is always a danger that corrupt puppets of big pharma and insurance will sabotage a single payer system by defunding it when in power in order to reap personal benefits, but thats why its important to say no to candidates who take money from the health care industry.
Who do you vote for and who are their major donors?
You must first understand that they do not care about your health, the children, the environment, the Constitution, your rights, your safety or anything else...they HATE you! They only care about their power over you....they are the boss, just like Ocrazio said....you're the peons...get it? know youre place already!
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But...But...But..Socialized medicine is so much more superior than our healthcare system.
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Yet enthusiasm for government-run, single-payer health care continues to build in the United States. The latest Reuters/Ipsos poll shows that 70% of Americans now support Medicare for All. Virtually all the major candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 have come out in favor of banning private insurance coverage and implementing a single-payer system instead.
Vacancies for doctor and nurse positions have reached all-time highs. Patients are facing interminable waits for care as a result. This August, a record number of Britons languished more than 12 hours in emergency rooms. In July, the share of cancer patients who waited more than two months to receive treatment soared.
The NHS has just had a large cash injection and there has been an increase in doctors and nurses in many sectors. The NHS has over 10,000 more hospital doctors, 4,000 extra nurses and 2,197 more ambulance staff than it did in 2010. Whilst medical school intake has nearly tripled since the 1990's, and continues to increase.
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In March 2017, across Hospital and Community Healthcare Services (HCHS), the NHS employed (full-time equivalent): 106,430 doctors; 285,893 nurses and health visitors; 21,597 midwives; 132,673 scientific, therapeutic and technical staff; 19,772 ambulance staff; 21,139 managers; and 9,974 senior managers.14
There were 10,934 additional HCHS doctors (FTE) employed in the NHS in March 2017 compared to March 2010 (11.45 per cent). In the past year the number has increased by 2.29 per cent.15
There were 3,910 more NHS nurses and health visitors (FTE) across HCHS in March 2017 compared to seven years earlier (1.39 per cent). In the past year the number has increased by 0.18 per cent.16
There were 2,197 more ambulance staff in March 2017 compared to seven years earlier (12.50 per cent). In the past year the number has increased by 7.48 per cent.17
There were 145 fewer psychiatrists across all grades (FTE) in March 2017 than March 2010 (1.64 per cent decrease). Over the same period there has been a decline in the number of mental health nurses of 5,161 (12.63 per cent).18
There were 5,027 more qualified allied health professionals (FTE) in March 2017 compared to March 2010 (8.51 per cent). However the number of qualified healthcare scientists has declined over the same period, with the FTE number in March 2017 2,388 below that of March 2010 (9.16 per cent).19
54.06 per cent of NHS employees across HCHS are professionally qualified clinical staff, as of March 2017. A further 29.89 per cent provide support to clinical staff in roles such as nursing assistant practitioners, nursing assistant/auxiliaries and healthcare assistants.20
In March 2017, 61,934 EU staff were working across HCHS – equivalent to 5.22 per cent of the headcount. This equates to 57,737 FTE, which is 5.51 per cent.21
Between March 2010 and March 2017 the number of professionally qualified clinical staff across HCHS has risen by 5.89 per cent.22
In March 2017 there were 33,423 full-time equivalent GPs (excluding locums), which is a reduction of 890 (2.59 per cent) on March 2016.23
In September 2016 there were (full-time equivalent): 15,827 nurses in GP practices; 10,009 GP direct patient care staff; and 65,334 admin/non-clinical staff. While the number of nurses in GP practices had increased by 429 (2.79 per cent) since September 2015, the number of practice nurses declined by 67 (0.57 per cent) over the same period. 24 Data from before 2015 is not directly comparable.
An NHS Partners Network survey shows that more than 69,000 individuals are involved in providing front-line services to NHS patients among their membership. Approximately two-thirds are clinicians.
Medical school intake rose from 3,749 in 1997/98 to 6,262 in 2012/13 - a rise of 67.0 per cent.25 7,112 graduates were accepted on to foundation programmes across the UK in 2016.26
Whilst in terms of what Americans call the Emergency Room, it's increasingly divided, in to lower level walk in centres and minor injuries units now known collectively as Urgent treatment centres through to Accident and Emergency Units and Major Trauma Centres. The UK also has a good system of family doctors and General Pactitioners Surgeries. The utilisation of other services, and increase in such treatment centres will help take the strain off Accident and Emergency (A&E) Units, although I have never known anyone wait anywhere near 12 hours in A&E. Indeed 90% of patients were dealt with within 4 hours and the median wait time as of September 2017 was 2 hours 28 minutes.
As for wait times I suggest the woman actually read the data, as everyone who has suspected cancer receives a referral to a specialist within two weeks and more tests, as for treatments the specialist team will decide, with treatments aimed at being started within 62 days or two months.
Previously served as the Assistant Director of the Fraser Institute; a Canadian think tank now widely discounted in all fields of research for being a "bought and paid for" tentacle of the Koch Brothers.
You do realize more people in the US die from lack of insurance and care per capita?
You do realize they rank above us in almost by almost any neutral measure like infant mortality?
I quite think it's the opposite. American healthcare horror stories - my own included - completely turn off people in countries with 1st world healthcare delivery systems.
I think the people who every year die in the US because they have no real access to healthcare would be fine with a short wait instead of dying to prevent rich people from paying more in taxes. I think everyone needs to consider the fact that they may be doing well now financially but consider what would happen if they face a serious health crisis (which everyone does at some point) and thereby lose their job or other income source. Only the wealthiest can in actuality handle the financial hit of that sort.
The NHS has just had a large cash injection and there has been an increase in doctors and nurses in many sectors. The NHS has over 10,000 more hospital doctors, 4,000 extra nurses and 2,197 more ambulance staff than it did in 2010. Whilst medical school intake has nearly tripled since the 1990's, and continues to increase.
Whilst in terms of what Americans call the Emergency Room, it's increasingly divided, in to lower level walk in centres and minor injuries units now known collectively as Urgent treatment centres through to Accident and Emergency Units and Major Trauma Centres. The UK also has a good system of family doctors and General Pactitioners Surgeries. The utilisation of other services, and increase in such treatment centres will help take the strain off Accident and Emergency (A&E) Units, although I have never known anyone wait anywhere near 12 hours in A&E. Indeed 90% of patients were dealt with within 4 hours and the median wait time as of September 2017 was 2 hours 28 minutes.
As for wait times I suggest the woman actually read the data, as everyone who has suspected cancer receives a referral to a specialist within two weeks and more tests, as for treatments the specialist team will decide, with treatments aimed at being started within 62 days or two months.
Previously served as the Assistant Director of the Fraser Institute; a Canadian think tank now widely discounted in all fields of research for being a "bought and paid for" tentacle of the Koch Brothers.
I'm not necessarily for single-payer healthcare, but I absolutely AM FOR using true data and not spin when discussing the merits and pitfalls thereof.
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