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Old 03-18-2019, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Only dupes voluntarily pay taxes, the rest of us are coerced, threatened and eventually robbed of them.
That "rest of us" is a handful of people.....
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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The constitution bans the government from doing this, not a private employer.
From drug testing? I'm mot sure I read that in the constitution, which amendment are you referring to?
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:46 AM
 
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From drug testing? I'm mot sure I read that in the constitution, which amendment are you referring to?
It's been covered hundreds of times. Not interested in replies simply to get more clicks for the site.
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:53 AM
 
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That "rest of us" is a handful of people.....
I dont disagree, so many have been hoodwinked through govt schooling, propaganda and apologists.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:20 AM
 
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Not everyone here is a Republican that believes that the system is abused. You're falling into the stereotyping hole. I'm a Democrat and admitted I was on food stamps for a while upthread - but I also know others who were on food stamps and really abused them. I know people on Welfare - that abuse every gov't handout.

It's not everyone - but fraud has risen through the years along with the drug problem.

To the person who said - druggies know tricks to bypass drug tests - probably so - but my husband's plant drug tests all new employees and random testing of current employees. I could tell you many stories of how people tried to fool the test and failed big time. One guy thought if he peed his pants - he wouldn't have to take the test. When your brains been addled by drugs or you're just not that smart to begin with - you really make an a** of yourself.
You would be surprised how large of an industry there is to support those needing to pass a drug test, (when they cannot do it legitimately.) Buying clean urine online is easily accessible, as well as all sorts of clever devices to help conceal it. I recently saw a small pouch that was designed to fit inside a shoe with a long thin tube, you could tap your foot to pump clean urine thru the tubing, they even had a way to keep the urine at body temperature!
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Alabama law would require drug testing for food stamp recipient
Why dont they just burn money in barrels?

We tried this in Florida, and stopped because it was costing the taxpayers so much money, and we got nothing in return.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:22 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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That "rest of us" is a handful of people.....
No Frank is right. No one pays taxes out of the goodness of their heart and know one pays more than they have to unless they are stupid.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:25 AM
 
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They in lab costs than they did "saving" money by denying benefits.

The fiscal argument is a failure.
Drug testing will weed out FS fraud and the cost will go down.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:25 AM
 
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No Frank is right. No one pays taxes out of the goodness of their heart and know one pays more than they have to unless they are stupid.
School bonds pass each year all over the country. People do not have to pass these.
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Old 03-18-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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Tried and failed in Florida, cost way too much and < 1% positive. Millions spent for 100 positives.

.....they saved money when you include the 1600 that refused the test and undetermined amount of people that never applied because of the testing.
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