Right-Wing, Proper Attaire, Common Sense, and the Right of a Business to Eject Customers (ratings, carry)
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Originally Posted by don1945
Besides, who wears a cap to a restaurant ? Probably only someone who has a pickup truck with a couple of dogs in the back and whose home used to have wheels on it.
I used to work and go to restaurants in Newark, NJ and I can guarantee you the hat wearers from 'da 'hood didn't arrive in pickup truck with a couple of dogs in the back and whose home used to have wheels on it.
But like you, I don't personally associate with people of low breeding so we do have that in common.
So now people can legally get rid of blacks or gays from their establishments. Just pretend to be offended by something they are wearing.
Our laws work on common sense. If you pretend to kick out gays and blacks because they're wearing, say, an Under Armor t-shirt; that's unreasonable. And you've likely broke the law by targeting someone based on race but using something else as an excuse. Unless you can reasonably argue why Under Armor would be offensive to your customers.
There is reasoning behind no shirt, no shoes, no service and some businesses have specific dress codes.
ones personal offenses do not override the first amendment.
An unpleasant reaction to differing sports teams or political ideas might be a snide remark or eye roll not a beat down or being denied service. These things are not acceptable reactions.
The business has a right to maintains its reputation. If it is vital for a business to not associate with something because it may turn off the customer base, then that business has every right to reject customers who are associated with that thing.
Many bars and strip clubs do this: they will tell certain customers to leave or not wear specific clothing in the establishment least they be perceived as being a hangout for certain gangs/groups; and potentially alienating the opposing gangs/groups, other customers, or worst - be the target of retaliation or has its establishment targeted for violence.
The business has a right to maintains its reputation. If it is vital for a business to not associate with something because it may turn off the customer base, then that business has every right to reject customers who are associated with that thing.
Many bars and strip clubs do this: they will tell certain customers to leave or not wear specific clothing in the establishment least they be perceived as being a hangout for certain gangs/groups; and potentially alienating the opposing gangs/groups, other customers, or worst - be the target of retaliation or has its establishment targeted for violence.
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So I will pose this question to you also: So there have been several instances of people being attacked in businesses for speaking another language or wearing a hijab. Is it reasonable for business owners to refuse to serve those speaking Spanish or wearing offensive head coverings because they know there is always the possibility that another patron will confront them?
Nonetheless overreaction to a political statement is not acceptable adult behavior. Normal people dont accept that kind of behavior even from children. To refuse service to someone or physically attack them for their beliefs is taking a big giant step backwards for our society.
And the first amendment gives us the right to speak and express our thoughts and beliefs so that we do not have to fear retribution from the government or others who do not agree with us.
To refuse service to someone over a political belief is NOT illegal. To physically attack someone IS illegal. We shouldn't confuse the two by equating them as equally harmful. One deals with a property owner exercising their property rights. The other encroaches upon the right of a person to not be assaulted.
If I own a piece of property, I don't even need to express why I am demanding a person leave my property. It is my property, therefore it is my right. However if I lay a hand on someone, use force, for anything other than defense of self, defense of others or defense of property, I'm going to have some serious explaining to do when I'm standing in front of a judge.
You do NOT have a right to express yourself on MY property. The only way you can express yourself on my property is IF I allow it because it is MY property. PERIOD.
There are a lot of people who confuse rights which are protected from government infringing upon with being some kind of an absolute set of rights where no one can intrude upon them. Even in the case of harm, one does NOT have an absolute right to not be harmed. If they themselves are harming someone, their right to not be harmed goes away.
It shouldn't be a difficult thing to explain BUT it appears some people just don't get it.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
"No shoes, no shirt" is a hygiene issue that I've only ever seen in restaurants.
I'd never expect someone to be assaulted for wearing opposing team colors. Fans of the opposing team will get invited to eat and drink at every tailgate on the way to the stadium around here.
Protecting unpopular political speech is the bedrock of the First Amendment. It's no more "common sense" for a business to throw you out for your political beliefs than to refuse you service because you're Jewish or a woman.
With all due respect... it appears you have ZERO clue what the 1st amendment says and means. It begins with the text, "Congress shall make no law..." It does NOT say a property owner cannot prohibit these things on their property.
But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
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