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Old 03-14-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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To live in a free society everyone must be awarded equal rights and opportunities. Everyone must be free to drink from the same water fountains, sit at the same lunch counters and free to patronize the same establishments.

You are wrong. Wearing a specific article of clothing is a behavior. Wearing a gun on your side, even though there is a 2nd amendment protecting individuals from having the government infringe upon that right, is a behavior and businesses all across the country can prohibit people from carrying guns in or on their property. It's THEIR property therefore THEY get to decide what they will and will not accept.




But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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your rights end at the doorway of my home or my business as do mine at yours.

100% correct. Nothing else need be said.




But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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We could just all walk around naked so we don't wear anything that could offend someone else or we could just act like adults and realize that although you may not like what someone else is wearing or saying you don't have the right to assault them or act like a freaking child and throw a tantrum, maybe we could all try acting like civilized human beings...or is that to much to ask?? I see a car in the parking lot at work with a sticker that reads "A woman's place is in the resistance" which I find both tasteless and offensive but I don't feel the need to smash a rock through the windshield, that would make me look like a bigger idiot then the person who chooses to drive around with such an idiotic sticker.

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Old 03-14-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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The bottom line is that in a number of relatively minor instances have been escalated to national news because it makes for ratings even though the number and severity are tiny relative to the size of the country. (this goes both ways, the media is no more responsible or morale than any corporation or shark for that matter.

That being said, it's a bad look and everyone that isn't rabidly partisan knows it.

So, you of course you have the right trumpeting the violence and intolerance to try to milk it.

....and you have the far far left trying a variation of the "she was asking for it by how she was dressed" defense.

(and we all know that if this were rightwingers slashing the tires on Hillary bumpersticker vehicles it would just be the same thing in reverse)
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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Differentiate between Actions vs something someone has no control of like akin color
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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You do NOT have a right to express yourself on MY property. The only way you can express yourself on my property is IF I allow it because it is MY property. PERIOD.
Unless you bake cakes or make pizza on your property.
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Old 03-14-2019, 01:52 PM
 
Location: North America
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I think people should get over themselves. Seriously. Eat your food and MYOB.
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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I have no problem with someone voicing their opinion about someone's hat or a business asking someone to leave.



What I have a problem with is someone being physically assaulted, pushed around or have their rights infringed upon somewhere they have every right to be.



Do you have a problem with that? If you don't then you are a hypocrite.
Short of the wearers intentionally inciting a riot....leave others alone to express them selves.
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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To refuse service to someone over a political belief is NOT illegal. To physically attack someone IS illegal. We shouldn't confuse the two by equating them as equally harmful. One deals with a property owner exercising their property rights. The other encroaches upon the right of a person to not be assaulted.



If I own a piece of property, I don't even need to express why I am demanding a person leave my property. It is my property, therefore it is my right. However if I lay a hand on someone, use force, for anything other than defense of self, defense of others or defense of property, I'm going to have some serious explaining to do when I'm standing in front of a judge.


You do NOT have a right to express yourself on MY property. The only way you can express yourself on my property is IF I allow it because it is MY property. PERIOD.


There are a lot of people who confuse rights which are protected from government infringing upon with being some kind of an absolute set of rights where no one can intrude upon them. Even in the case of harm, one does NOT have an absolute right to not be harmed. If they themselves are harming someone, their right to not be harmed goes away.


It shouldn't be a difficult thing to explain BUT it appears some people just don't get it.



But then again, that's just MY opinion, for what it's worth.
Yes we get it. No one said anything about rights. Legal or not the point was its not acceptable behavior. No one should be afraid to patronize a business due to their political beliefs, religion, culture, language, etc.
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Old 03-14-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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your rights end at the doorway of my home or my business as do mine at yours.
That's big negative as far as your business is concerned. The National Civil Rights Act of 1964 make illegal to discriminate based on race, color, sex, religion, or natural origin. As a business, you cannot say you will, or won't, accommodate a person based on the previously mentioned conditions. So your rights are not absolute.
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