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Old 03-16-2019, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Capitalism is not slavery. Using a natural resource is not exploitation. and I'm sorry to say, but a lot of your writing is largely senseless word fluff. What is a "highly procured national park"? And your whole third paragraph ... it's just barely coherent anti-capitalist propaganda. You think everybody living under communism is self-actualized and working the job of their dreams? LOL.

Does anybody buy this low-grade, nonsensical BS you're selling?
National Parks are artificial protected, the litter is cleared away, and predators are kept alive artificially. It is not real wilderness, and shows that the ecologically significant land use has been destroyed in this country.

And I never claimed communism will solve everything, but along with democratic reform, it can help build a freer, kinder society not necessitated on technological application.
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Old 03-16-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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National Parks are artificial protected, the litter is cleared away, and predators are kept alive artificially. It is not real wilderness, and shows that the ecologically significant land use has been destroyed in this country.

And I never claimed communism will solve everything, but along with democratic reform, it can help build a freer, kinder society not necessitated on technological application.
That's still not related to procurement. That's the wrong word. And artificially protected? No, they are legally protected. People largely respect the national forests and other grounds to which they have no claim. Animals, predators or otherwise, are left to their own natural devices on what amounts to a sanctuary for them. It is real wilderness. 100% real.

I've come to the conclusion you have no idea what you are talking about and you might simply be a troll. You don't appreciate the freedoms you have, freedom of speech being one. And by all means, you are free to go live in a tree house or a yurt, donate all your technology to charity, wipe your backside with your hand, and bask in your feelings of righteousness as you continually try to convince yourself you've improved your lot in life.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That's still not related to procurement. That's the wrong word. And artificially protected? No, they are legally protected. People largely respect the national forests and other grounds to which they have no claim. Animals, predators or otherwise, are left to their own natural devices on what amounts to a sanctuary for them. It is real wilderness. 100% real.

I've come to the conclusion you have no idea what you are talking about and you might simply be a troll. You don't appreciate the freedoms you have, freedom of speech being one. And by all means, you are free to go live in a tree house or a yurt, donate all your technology to charity, wipe your backside with your hand, and bask in your feelings of righteousness as you continually try to convince yourself you've improved your lot in life.
It is not real wilderness, real wilderness is outgrowth that is not contained and allows space for subsistence so life can grow. National parks are tightly cut out areas that are maintained through human activity. I've volunteered at Yosemite and Sequoia, it is not how you describe.

And I don't want to live in the woods with nothing, nor could I. All I ask is for us to abandon an economy of exploitation that is ruining natural human behavior. Before when people had to share resources, a community was intrinsically tied together. Now because of the advents of technology and private corporations, people work for a wage and are shipped capital that they are not involved in. We have become a highly impersonal society of wealth destroying the natural ecosystem around us.

In fact the lifestyle you talk about as in hunter-gather or even tribal societies like the natives are no longer allowed as they don't produce taxable income. Forested land is not for personal usage, and woodland is again distributed in urban areas.

When you include property taxes, rent, and private land holdings, everything is based on ownership, not usage. Now sustainable living as in permaculture is an alternative that is discussed taking from indigenous methods, but because it is not profitable, private nor public institutes will fund it or allow it.

And I am not advocating the elimination of cities, trade, or technology, I just want workers and people to control their application, not consumer markets.
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Old 03-16-2019, 11:58 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Communist in the past have been known to give you a hole in the head when you don't comply
In America you can always find a party. In Russia Party always finds you.
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:45 PM
 
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I don't want a commune, I want to change the global economy and how it functions.

The US needs institutional change.
I can stand your condescension.

Who are you to force other people to to live your way?
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Old 03-16-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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China is not communist. Why won't you understand this?
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You missed the point of the poster's post
What does the largest (corporation) employer in the u.s produce?

Many years back in my life something was said and it would be important to repeat it here and hopefully I can remember how it went ...

If a person (company) can manufacture (just for an example) toilet paper, and then sell to the government a contracted amount, their business would be all set. (i'm only remembering the jest of it)

It was a brainstorming (bs) session and we went on to talk about inventions and inventing something useful the government might need (or something the government might want to squash) and there would be government funding in it. (you get the picture)

It's important to mention because, the largest (employer) corporation in the u.s. has a lot of smaller (some not so small) corporations under their belt. (see lobbyist and special interest groups, as well) They have contracts with the government.

How does communism help with that? or is that not in itself a form of?

When the government can regulate light bulbs is that not control of means and production?

btw: mom and pops are not dead yet ...

Despite the Amazon effect, not all mom and pop stores are in trouble on Main Street
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Why does it matter? The Corporate economy needs state infrastructure to survive, which itself needs a labor force. From the department of agriculture, to the TSA, no business would have it any other way.

Even Jamie Damion supports red tape on banking (not the same thing as regulations) to keep profits stable.
As the economy grows, the public sector has to grow parallel to it. In fact 4 million is a relatively small number.

Communism itself doesn't solve everything, but it is a step in the right direction as it will localize production and end large scale production of the kind we see today.

As for the CNBC post, that is the bounce of the dead cat.
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Why does it matter?
If a person wants to implement communist tenets, then it won't matter to them. The public sector will only exist at the governments pleasure in a communist/socialist economic system and the u.s if farther along in that aspect than most people are willing to see. That is why, it matters.

That dead cat keeps right on bouncing ...

Mom-and-Pop

You are the supply chain

"Free trade didn't kill the mom and pop store."
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Old 03-16-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Capitalism is not slavery. Using a natural resource is not exploitation. and I'm sorry to say, but a lot of your writing is largely senseless word fluff. What is a "highly procured national park"? And your whole third paragraph ... it's just barely coherent anti-capitalist propaganda. You think everybody living under communism is self-actualized and working the job of their dreams? LOL.

Does anybody buy this low-grade, nonsensical BS you're selling?
The name of the game is all about exploiting resources and people around the world.
Have you heard of the leaked citigroup memos sent to their wealthy clients?

They spell it out themselves that it is indeed exploiting others for their gain.

Global Capitalism is about exploiting immigrants, people and natural resources around the planet to enrich themselves.

https://elpidiovaldes.wordpress.com/...-are-the-rest/

Citigroup’s Plutonomy Memo: “There are rich consumers, and there are the rest”


https://truth11.com/2011/12/29/the-c...oliticalgates/


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Are they real?” That’s the question people usually ask when they hear for the first time of the “Citigroup Plutonomy Memos.” The sad truth is: Yes, they are real, and instead of being discussed on mainstream media outlets all over America and beyond, Citigroup was surprisingly successful so far in suppressing these memos, using their lawyers to issue takedown-notices whenever these memos were being made available for download on the internet.

So what are we talking about? In 2005 and 2006, several analysts at Citigroup took a very, very close look at the economic inequalities within the USA and other countries and wrote two memos which were addressed to their very wealthy customers. If there is one group of people who need to know the truth about what is really going on within the society and the economy, minus the propaganda, then it’s businesspeople who have a lot of money to invest, and who want to invest wisely.

So Citigroup did their duty and published two explosive memos, which should have become mainstream news, but eventually did not. The first memo is dated October 16, 2005 (35 pages) and is titled:“Plutonomy: Buying Luxury, Explaining Global Imbalances.”
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by J746NEW View Post
The name of the game is all about exploiting resources and people around the world.
Have you heard of the leaked citigroup memos sent to their wealthy clients?

They spell it out themselves that it is indeed exploiting others for their gain.

Global Capitalism is about exploiting immigrants, people and natural resources around the planet to enrich themselves.

https://elpidiovaldes.wordpress.com/...-are-the-rest/

Citigroup’s Plutonomy Memo: “There are rich consumers, and there are the rest”


https://truth11.com/2011/12/29/the-c...oliticalgates/
Interesting, I’ve never heard about this before.
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I can stand your condescension.

Who are you to force other people to to live your way?
The arrogance in your words are strong.

We have a system that enforces exploitation and commoditization. That is not by choice, everyone must live in this world.

If we are to have a free and equal society we cannot have consumer markets decide the economy and ecosystem, instead people on a local level should control technology and its application. That means more freedom for everyone.

What gives you the right to force people into a corporate dystopia?
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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I am so sick of our society that so blatantly favors the rich and corporations! Our society so passively lets the rich buy their way into the best universities, lets the rich buy their way out of justice, lets corporations have an iron grip on workers who suppress their rights and quality and life, and more! What we need to eliminate this problem is embrace COMMUNISM! A good start is to embrace people like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who fight for the PEOPLE, not for the rich and not for corporations!

I would rather live under communism than our twisted capitalist society.
If you need or want communism then go to a communist country, you'll never find that here in the United States Of America.
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