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Why did Obama not act with vigor and seriousness on this. This was his watch, he focused his energy and mind on pupping up the russian collusion hoax rather than go after russia directly. He thought he could kill two birds with one stone and now you whine before he failed to stop the Russian meddling? Thats rich.
Totally wrong. Obama Admin was damned if it did and damned if it didn't - Trump hollering "election rigged" and desire not to provoke a "full scale cyber war."
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Instead, Obama officials chose another course of action after becoming frustrated that Republican leaders on Capitol Hill would not endorse a bipartisan statement condemning Russian interference and fearful that any unilateral action by them would feed then candidate Donald Trump’s claims that the election was rigged.
They chose a private “stern” warning by Obama to Russian President Vladimir Putin at a summit in China in early September 2016 to stop his country’s campaign to disrupt the U.S. election.
Obama officials were also worried that a vigorous cyber response along the lines Daniel had proposed could escalate into a full scale cyber war.
"Instead, Obama officials chose another course of action after becoming frustrated that Republican leaders on Capitol Hill would not endorse a bipartisan statement condemning Russian interference and fearful that any unilateral action by them would feed then candidate Donald Trump’s claims that the election was rigged.
They chose a private “stern” warning by Obama to Russian President Vladimir Putin at a summit in China in early September 2016 to stop his country’s campaign to disrupt the U.S. election.
Obama officials were also worried that a vigorous cyber response along the lines Daniel had proposed could escalate into a full scale cyber war. "
.....great...so Obama didn't enforce any laws etc....for partisan reasons..and it might make Hillary lose
Would you please stop using "Individual 1"! It is childish and demeaning to the office. Ditto "45" and tRump. I did not vote for Trump but he is, to me, "President Trump."
I immediately skip to the next post when I see foolishness like that.
When Robert Muller finished his investigation into Trump, he did not say in his report if Trump was guild or not just like the other two. Why then has AG Billy Barr chimed in when the AG in each of the other cases did not? Why isn't an unredacted report submitted to Congress like the other two investigations?
This is what I thought was going to happen. Report would go to Congress for its determination - not the partisan AG making a determination. However, Barr is a party loyalist - and given his 2018 memo on almost unlimited presidential power - anyone who believed he would hang Trump out to take his punishment is living on another planet. And, frankly, just look at the guy. That says it all.
All that said, let's put this shoe on the other foot. Obama was under investigation, no determinations, and Holder clears Obama.
Why did Obama not act with vigor and seriousness on this. This was his watch, he focused his energy and mind on pupping up the russian collusion hoax rather than go after russia directly. He thought he could kill two birds with one stone and now you whine before he failed to stop the Russian meddling? Thats rich.
The same could be said for Trump. He was notified before he was sworn in. What did Trump do, call it a "hoax" and kissed up to Putin?
I just find it odd that everyone around trump, Flynn, Manafort, etc, etc.; were found guilty; but as always, the trumps come out squeaky clean. Those people were working for trump. Do you think they would have done all the dirty work without orders?
Mueller is independent of getting bribed by Trump hence why others in the campaign (Manafort) were taken down. If Trump was ethically corrupt, he would've fired him.
"Trump getting away squeaky clean" - eh? What about all things Bill and Hillary have gotten away with over the years?
The same could be said for Trump. He was notified before he was sworn in. What did Trump do, call it a "hoax" and kissed up to Putin?
if you were told, what would you have done? You had the same power Trump did before the election. Obama knew since 2014 Russia was trying to interfere.
Then we will never be able to judge the truth for ourselves and tgere will always be questions. Welcome to 2019.
The truth is in the eye of the beholder. Mueller has a mountain of events and occurrences which tell the world that Trump and his campaign were fully aware of Russian interference and encouraged it. Some campaign people regularly talked to the Russians. Lousy optics but criminal? Unethical, dirty politics, etc. - but not necessarily criminal.
On obstruction which is abuse of presidential power - because Trump did not actually ORDER an investigation halted, or fire an AG because he wouldn't obey an unlawful order, convicting him on the "intent" behind the "ask" is kind of hard.
We all know what Trump is. He certainly encouraged Russian interference and he certainly intended to obstruct justice - because that's who he is - but actually criminal? That's another matter.
The man is unethical and unfit for office. The report will prove that in spades - if we ever get to see it. My guess is we won't because it's too dirty.
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Mueller is independent of getting bribed by Trump hence why others in the campaign (Manafort) were taken down. If Trump was ethically corrupt, he would've fired him.
Trump IS corrupt. He wanted to fire Mueller. He even threatened it publicly. All his advisors and the Senate told him not to do it. Graham and others all over the TV telling Trump not to fire Mueller. He did not do it because people smarter than him told him he would be destroying himself - not because it would be unethical.
Ethics and truth - neither are attributes with which Trump has even a passing acquaintance.
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