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Old 04-09-2019, 10:36 PM
 
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He didn't just "state the law" he cited case law. Case law "is the law is the law" as established by the outcome of former cases.
In other words, he stated the law.

 
Old 04-09-2019, 10:38 PM
 
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He didn't just "state the law" he cited case law. Case law "is the law is the law" as established by the outcome of former cases.

Mr. Mueller needed to determine the facts based on interviews, review of evidence, etc. in order to make conclusions.

Mr. Barr jumped the gun because there were no findings, conclusions, &/or summary of evidence at the time he wrote his memo.

wrong, again. Here is the memo Barr wrote to the DOJ


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J...bstruction.pdf


The President was never accused of a crime and Comey under oath said Trump wasn't under investigation personally....so where is the obstruction crime for Trump doing his lawful duties?
 
Old 04-09-2019, 10:39 PM
 
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Barr Memo aka Barr Job Interview - June 2018 Memo to Rod Rosenstein, entitled: "Mueller’s 'Obstruction' Theory" wherein Barr says president can do anything he wants and cannot be charged w/obstruction:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...mized/full.pdf
Barr Letter to Congress - March 24, 2019, wherein Barr summarizes Mueller Report and decides Trump cannot be charged w/obstruction:
https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/de...Committees.pdf
Barr Letter to Congress - March 29, 2019, further clarifying his March 24th letter:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthel...mized/full.pdf
 
Old 04-09-2019, 11:06 PM
 
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Feinstein Requests Answers from Barr, Rosenstein on Barr Memo Against Mueller Investigation

Dec 21 2018

Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today requested that William Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein answer key questions about Barr’s 19-page memorandum against Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation.

The letter to Barr is available here and the letter to Rosenstein is available here.

Full text of the letter to Barr follows:

December 21, 2018

William P. Barr
Kirkland & Ellis LLP
655 15th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005

Dear Mr. Barr:

Before the hearing on your nomination to be Attorney General, as the Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I am writing to request additional information about a June 8, 2018, memorandum that you wrote to Department of Justice officials regarding Special Robert Counsel Mueller's obstruction of justice investigation.

I read your memorandum with great surprise. In my twenty-five years reviewing nominations as a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I have never seen a nominee write such an in-depth legal memorandum for no reason. Your memorandum is not an informal opinion piece or casual commentary; rather, it is a lengthy, detailed legal argument with pointed conclusions.

Your decision to write this memorandum raises several questions, and I ask that you respond in writing no later than December 27, 2018:
  1. Did anyone request that you write the memorandum? If so, who and why?
  2. If the memorandum was not requested, why did you write it?
  3. News repm1s indicate that you also shared the memorandum with the President’s personal lawyers. Is that accurate? Who received a copy of the memo?
  4. Did you write the memorandum yourself or were others involved? If so, who?
  5. Have you spoken to President Trump, anyone associated with the White House, or the President's legal team about the memorandum or its contents? If so, with whom did you speak and why?
  6. Have you spoken with anyone at the Department of Justice about the memorandum or its contents?
  7. Was there any follow up from anyone regarding your memorandum?
I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you in advance for your prompt attention to these questions.

Sincerely,
Dianne Feinstein


https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...B-CDA00ABB5A28
 
Old 04-09-2019, 11:08 PM
 
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He wrote a 19 page memo back in June 2018 without knowing any of the facts. (He did get the job though )



https://www.law.com/nationallawjourn...20190309214349

I'd like to know if Mr. Barr consulted with "with the appropriate Department of Justice ethics officials and act consistent with governing regulations" as promised during his Senate confirmation hearings.
Here you go -- ask them if you are so worried about it. 2nd to that - you might think about including the Ethics office on your IMPEACH!! list. The U.S. Office of Government Ethics (OGE) does not handle complaints of misconduct, nor does OGE have investigative or prosecutorial authority. OGE's mission is one of prevention. Most of their work has to do with "payment" of some sort .... there really is no Government Agency that does the dirty job of deposing a sitting President because of Tantrums by the Losing Party.

United States Office of Government Ethics

Do you even know what the Office of Government Ethics does? Here's a clue - they don't make Law and they are not responsible for deciding what Law is - the US Attorney General and his advisors on the Legal Council basically do those things.

This might help .... AG Barr Letter to the House and Senate Judiciary Chairmen & Ranking Members. Justice.gov

Over the course of the investigation, the Special Counsel's office engaged in discussions with certain Department officials regarding many of the legal and factual matters at issue in the Special Counsel's obstruction investigation. After reviewing the Special Counsel's final report on these issues; consulting with Department officials, including the Office of Legal Counsel; and applying the principles o f federal prosecution that guide our charging decisions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel's investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense. Our determination was made without regard to, and is not based on, the constitutional considerations that surround the indictment and criminal prosecution of a sitting president.

Once again .... this isn't complicated. Attorney General Barr is NOT going to break US Law in response to Leftist Democrats have a Hysterical Meltdown. He cites the LAWS he must follow in every letter.
Jerry Nadler was responsible for voting for those Laws.

AG Barr (Attorney General and head of the Justice Dept), Rod Rosenstein (Deputy AG /#2 guy in the Justice Department & supervisor of Mueller) AND the Justice Department of Legal Counsel all were cited in the Barr letter .... based on Special Counsel Mueller's final report.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 11:15 PM
 
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Barr's memo: Is the President above the law?

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...rosenstein.pdf



Where does he find these drones?
 
Old 04-09-2019, 11:29 PM
 
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Feinstein Requests Answers from Barr, Rosenstein on Barr Memo Against Mueller Investigation

Dec 21 2018

Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today requested that William Barr and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein answer key questions about Barr’s 19-page memorandum against Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation.

The letter to Barr is available here and the letter to Rosenstein is available here.

Full text of the letter to Barr follows:

December 21, 2018

William P. Barr
Kirkland & Ellis LLP
655 15th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005

Dear Mr. Barr:

Before the hearing on your nomination to be Attorney General, as the Ranking Member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I am writing to request additional information about a June 8, 2018, memorandum that you wrote to Department of Justice officials regarding Special Robert Counsel Mueller's obstruction of justice investigation.

I read your memorandum with great surprise. In my twenty-five years reviewing nominations as a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I have never seen a nominee write such an in-depth legal memorandum for no reason. Your memorandum is not an informal opinion piece or casual commentary; rather, it is a lengthy, detailed legal argument with pointed conclusions.

Your decision to write this memorandum raises several questions, and I ask that you respond in writing no later than December 27, 2018:
  1. Did anyone request that you write the memorandum? If so, who and why?
  2. If the memorandum was not requested, why did you write it?
  3. News repm1s indicate that you also shared the memorandum with the President’s personal lawyers. Is that accurate? Who received a copy of the memo?
  4. Did you write the memorandum yourself or were others involved? If so, who?
  5. Have you spoken to President Trump, anyone associated with the White House, or the President's legal team about the memorandum or its contents? If so, with whom did you speak and why?
  6. Have you spoken with anyone at the Department of Justice about the memorandum or its contents?
  7. Was there any follow up from anyone regarding your memorandum?
I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you in advance for your prompt attention to these questions.

Sincerely,
Dianne Feinstein


https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...B-CDA00ABB5A28

So did she ever get a response? This whole Barr thing stinks to high heavens.
 
Old 04-09-2019, 11:38 PM
 
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So did she ever get a response? This whole Barr thing stinks to high heavens.

Yeah, I'm still waiting from Diane to tell us who leaked Ford's letter to the press and threw her under the bus....when she answers that maybe Barr can answer her letter.
 
Old 04-10-2019, 01:43 AM
 
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Here is an interesting legal take on why Mueller didn't want to have input on Barr's summary.

"Mueller did not want to be responsible for Barr's characterization."

-- Ben Wittes, Lawfare editor in chief, on why AG Barr testified that Mueller did not want to have input on Barr's summary of the Mueller report
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1115780956881920000
At the end of the day -- Mueller didn't really want to be responsible for NOT charging Donald Trump for something/anything. They spent 2 years and had all that information, all those investigators and a pretty strong Never-Trump Team ..... and couldn't find any way to charge him with anything.

So he punted and let AG Barr take the rap for "no charges". That allows Mr and Mrs Mueller to go out to eat in Washington D.C. and not get attacked by the Loony Left that was absolutely certain that Mueller was going to get rid of Trump for them. The Collusion Delusion was a flop ... and there is a New Sheriff in town that just might get to the bottom of the entire thing.

Both Bloomberg and the New York Times released stories tonight and Barr's next steps.
The next several months should be interesting. James Baker's testimony dropped tonight - he was the Counsel for the FBI.

Mueller is an extremely competent long time Prosecutor with all the resources he could possibly ask for - he knows the Law, he knows what he can (and can not) charge. He punted.

What else could he really do and still live in that town?

Ben Wittes and his Lawfare blog are very Left and Ben is a close personal friend of Comey, in fact he was one of Comey's leakers. It's very interesting to watch a podcast he did with the Brookings Institute about the Mueller Report and what he (and his panel) thought would happen and what they "hoped" would happen. It's an hour and 38 minutes, but it was interesting - Mary McCord was on the panel and I won't be surprised to find her in front of a judge at some point. She was a DOJ Attorney who got out early in the Trump Administration so her exposure is going to be limited and she was really, really, really careful about everything she said in the podcast - wise.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/mueller-...at-happens-now
 
Old 04-10-2019, 05:18 AM
 
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So did she ever get a response? This whole Barr thing stinks to high heavens.
Basically his response was in his prepared testimony at the Senate Confirmation hearings. Here's a link to some of his testimony:

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Barr said he may write the version of Mueller’s final report that would go to Congress and be made public, a twist on the debate over the special counsel’s eventual findings.

The Justice Department’s regulations on special counsels dictate that Mueller can give his report only to the attorney general, who decides what will become public. Barr said he interprets that as giving him the power to write his own version for public consumption.

...Later, Barr said it was “ludicrous” when Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy suggested a memo he wrote read like a job application. The memo argued that Trump couldn’t be accused of obstruction of justice for firing former FBI Director James Comey.

Leahy noted that Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani has said that the president’s legal team should be allowed to "correct" the Mueller report before it’s delivered to Congress or the public.

Asked whether he would allow such a move, Barr responded, ”That will not happen.”
More here:

Barr Says He Rejects ‘This Lock-Her-Up Stuff’: Hearing Update

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hearing-update

I guess we have to wait & see what he does & hold him accountable.
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