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Old 03-15-2019, 05:22 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I have an older brother I am not close with who has a lot of emotional problems. Back in the 1990s - around the time of the OKC bombing and Unibomber - he was talking to family members about how upset he was at the govt, going on about conspiracy theories. Our family reported him to the FBI, even though he made no specific threats. I'm not sure if he was even interviewed but at least someone was probably keeping watch on him, making sure he wasn't storing bomb making materials or weapons.

In any type of terror attack there is always someone who knew and didn't report. Time to crack down on those people. Make them fear the consequences of doing nothing.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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If people want to start attacking rhetoric... maybe we should go back to Hodgkinson (whose favorite show is Maddow) shooting up Congressmen on the baseball field.

Otherwise, the below should apply.

https://twitter.com/Millie__Weaver/s...32504369065984
Like all terrorist attacks the shooter was politically motivated. He didn't operate in a vacuum.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:23 PM
 
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It is obvious that the killer is having exactly the effect he intended and inspiring the types he targeted with his advertising. If this is happening so openly on CD I don’t want to imagine what the less reputable parts of the internet look like right now.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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Capitalism means private(or really, individual) ownership of property, and the concept and enforcement of "property-rights".

There is no "capitalism" among animals. The squirrel doesn't own any property, neither does the bear, nor the bee. The only rule of interaction between animals, is survival of the fittest.


The closest thing to capitalism in the animal world would be "territorialism". Where wolves, or lions, or whatever, will mark the land they claim. But that ownership is only upheld by violence, and will inevitably be taken with violence. And among "social animals", such as lions or wolves or chimpanzees, whatever territory they claim is owned collectively, not individually.


Moreover, the last several millions years of human evolution was just "tribalism". Whether it was homo-erectus, homo-neanderthalis, or homo-sapiens, we had always been a group of a hundred to two-hundred people living together communally. The concept of property rights didn't come into existence until the rise of agriculture around 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. And much of the world was untouched by agriculture until European colonialism just a few hundred years ago. The idea that you could "own land" was completely foreign to many indigenous people.

And in Europe, much of the land was called "the commons" because it was owned "in common" or "collectively", until only a couple-hundred years ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yocja_N5s1I


The beginnings of what we could call "Capitalism", came about from "mercantilism" in the late-middle ages, especially with something called the "enslosure acts" in England, and the same basic process happened elsewhere in Europe over a later period.

Capitalism isn't actually "the natural" way that humans live. Tribalism is the only natural human condition. Which is basically voluntary collective-ownership among family-members(not socialism, which is just government coercion and theft, driven by envy and greed).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyzi9GNZFMU
Im referring to the profit-making motive that is the basis of any capitalist effort to do anything - has nothing to do with what is done.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:25 PM
 
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It is obvious that the killer is having exactly the effect he intended and inspiring the types he targeted with his advertising. If this is happening so openly on CD I don’t want to imagine what the less reputable parts of the internet look like right now.
There's less reputable parts of the internet?
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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I have an older brother I am not close with who has a lot of emotional problems. Back in the 1990s - around the time of the OKC bombing and Unibomber - he was talking to family members about how upset he was at the govt, going on about conspiracy theories. Our family reported him to the FBI, even though he made no specific threats. I'm not sure if he was even interviewed but at least someone was probably keeping watch on him, making sure he wasn't storing bomb making materials or weapons.

In any type of terror attack there is always someone who knew and didn't report. Time to crack down on those people. Make them fear the consequences of doing nothing.
A family of snitches is not historically a good source of leads.

If it makes you feel better "someone was probably keeping watch" then go with that. Absent any actual criminal activity, people don't get put under surveillance...unless they work for the Trump campaign.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Im referring to the profit-making motive that is the basis of any capitalist effort to do anything - has nothing to do with what is done.
So since greed is natural, and capitalism is greed, then capitalism is natural?


Capitalism exploits natural sentiments for productive ends, but it isn't natural. And bees are not capitalists. They are about as far from capitalists as there could be.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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They call it Trump Derangement Syndrome for a reason.

I knew it would take about a nano-second for Trump to be blamed. He lives rent-free in their heads!



They will blame him if they stub their toes, milk goes bad, have two scoops of ice cream and gain weight.


That's how the victim culture works.
The shooter exploited the liberals TDS.

He accomplished his mission 1000x over.
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:36 PM
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Hard Right Wing terrorism seems to be replacing Muslim terrorism as a rising threat in the world. It's too bad that the President and his supporters are too spineless to see this and not take steps to stop this terrible movement.

At this rate there likely will be more and worse Right Nationalism terrorist attacks.
At this rate the left may insist we start bringing in millions of white immigrants
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Old 03-15-2019, 05:39 PM
 
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So since greed is natural, and capitalism is greed, then capitalism is natural?


Capitalism exploits natural sentiments for productive ends, but it isn't natural. And bees are not capitalists. They are about as far from capitalists as there could be.
I disagree and here's why it is definitely natural. Your defective analogies and false equivocations don't affect the reality of this either. Like many animals, including humans, bees combine their labor and raw materials to make finished goods which they use to provide for their sustenance.

That's pretty much a good working definition of capitalism.
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