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Old 03-16-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Provide a link to the fact that many muslim populations often inbreed? Its in the public records, you can find it. I won't do your work for you.

Its part of their cultures - being primitive cultures based on tribalism. Inbreeding is common in tribal cultures. Not really a matter of dispute, I'm surprised you need a link..its common knowledge amongst those familiar with cultural anthro.


It is not my work. You made a claim, which is utterly silly because Muslims comprise most diverse ethnic groups with very different customs. What Saudis do has little to do with what Malays or Bangladeshis do. Just like genital mutilation inbreeding has certainly existed long before Islam.

Nor is it a problem limited to Islam. Some orthodox Jewish and Protestant groups are also known for inbreeding.

Most of the isolated Indio tribes in Latin America have 200 or more members, some have thousands of members. Both the number of tribes and the number of individual tribes' members has been revised repeatedly. There are many more than people think.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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The “noble savage” trope has been played to death by now. Many of these tribes are just as violent as their more advanced brethren, it just so happens that they didn’t have the means to enact change on a global scale.

There are a number of Native American tribes that were completely wiped out before the arrival of Europeans. The Aztecs themselves were known for conquering and subjugating other groups.

In today’s world, if a person happens to stumble upon the Sentinel Islands, they are greeted with a bow and arrows. So much for “peaceful dialogue”.

I strongly contest the notion that these cultures are truly less aggressive then European ones. It just so happens that Europeans were more powerful at that time.
I didn't say they are noble. They are humans, and as such why should they be peaceful when living in a hostile environment, threatened by supposedly civilized people with guns as is increasingly happening in Brazil, where land thieves are supported by the right-wing radical government there.

After centuries of genocide, why on earth would the indios have any interest in "peaceful dialogue" which killers?
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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You guys are absolutely hilarious. All this talk about “savages” in a thread where a supposedly civilised white man slaughtered 50 of his fellow human beings as they utterly defensively came together. How you can hold yourselves up as beacons or higher humanity is just beyond me.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:34 PM
 
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You guys are absolutely hilarious. All this talk about “savages” in a thread where a supposedly civilised white man slaughtered 50 of his fellow human beings as they utterly defensively came together. How you can hold yourselves up as beacons or higher humanity is just beyond me.
Indeed, we are no better than Indios. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars/euros on weapons so we can wipe humans from the face of the earth while humans are starving to death. We have had two most barbaric world wars. Etc.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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You guys are absolutely hilarious. All this talk about “savages” in a thread where a supposedly civilised white man slaughtered 50 of his fellow human beings as they utterly defensively came together. How you can hold yourselves up as beacons or higher humanity is just beyond me.
This particular topic was introduced by Nana who in post #408 decided to defend the muslim invasion via mass immigration to the West (That nobody here has ever asked for or consented to), by claiming Europeans invaded all the places where we now live, despite the fact there were no nations already established in the places we settled or colonized, being inhabited only by indigenous peoples who had made zero improvements to or use of the land.

That's how we got here; the argument was put forth that merely because someone once quarreled or did combat over territory in the past, that forever more, civilized people living in established nations which only THEY created from nothing, must meekly tolerate invasion by Third Worlders.

This IS the thinking behind this shooting. Had there been none of this mass immigration forced on the West, this shooting never could have happened. And neither could any of the Muslim terror that they have conducted against the builders/owners of the nations they invade.

So it does have something , a lot, in fact, to do with the thread. Certainly as relevant as any other explanation offered for the shooting. None of which are even rational.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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It is not my work. You made a claim, which is utterly silly because Muslims comprise most diverse ethnic groups with very different customs. What Saudis do has little to do with what Malays or Bangladeshis do. Just like genital mutilation inbreeding has certainly existed long before Islam.

Nor is it a problem limited to Islam. Some orthodox Jewish and Protestant groups are also known for inbreeding.

Most of the isolated Indio tribes in Latin America have 200 or more members, some have thousands of members. Both the number of tribes and the number of individual tribes' members has been revised repeatedly. There are many more than people think.
Hell, there were a lot of crowned heads in Europe that were the result of inbreeding, and they were Christian! (See Charles II of Spain as a prime example.)
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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Indeed, we are no better than Indios. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars/euros on weapons so we can wipe humans from the face of the earth while humans are starving to death. We have had two most barbaric world wars. Etc.
Humans, 'civilized' or not', are in general a rotten, primitive species, and still in the dark about what our true origins are..some believe 'God' made us, others believe we are strictly a product of evolution, there are some who even believe Extraterrestrials tampered with our precursors´s DNA to give rise to the 'modern human', or hey, maybe a combination of all the above, who really knows.

There are some circles that believe Earth is like a 'prison planet' and will remain so until humanity in general rises above its worst traits, if that is ever achieved that is.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:51 PM
 
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This particular topic was introduced by Nana who in post #408 decided to defend the muslim invasion via mass immigration to the West (That nobody here has ever asked for or consented to), by claiming Europeans invaded all the places where we now live, despite the fact there were no nations already established in the places we settled or colonized, being inhabited only by indigenous peoples who had made zero improvements to or use of the land.

That's how we got here; the argument was put forth that merely because someone once quarreled or did combat over territory in the past, that forever more, civilized people living in established nations which only THEY created from nothing, must meekly tolerate invasion by Third Worlders.

This IS the thinking behind this shooting. Had there been none of this mass immigration forced on the West, this shooting never could have happened. And neither could any of the Muslim terror that they have conducted against the builders/owners of the nations they invade.

So it does have something , a lot, in fact, to do with the thread. Certainly as relevant as any other explanation offered for the shooting. None of which are even rational.
That's just nonsense. There is no mass immigration of Muslims. Muslims account for less than 3% of Australia's and less than 1% of New Zealand's population, for instance.

Also, when a region is inhabited, the land belongs to those people, regardless of whether or not they have official countries. Again, the concept of countries and borders is just one concept of several. And there is no point in expecting Indios to care about our concept of countries and borders.
And no, the Indios were the original settlers, they did not steal the land from others. So they have more right to the land than anyone else.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:55 PM
 
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This particular topic was introduced by Nana who in post #408 decided to defend the muslim invasion via mass immigration to the West (That nobody here has ever asked for or consented to), by claiming Europeans invaded all the places where we now live, despite the fact there were no nations already established in the places we settled or colonized, being inhabited only by indigenous peoples who had made zero improvements to or use of the land.

That's how we got here; the argument was put forth that merely because someone once quarreled or did combat over territory in the past, that forever more, civilized people living in established nations which only THEY created from nothing, must meekly tolerate invasion by Third Worlders.

This IS the thinking behind this shooting. Had there been none of this mass immigration forced on the West, this shooting never could have happened. And neither could any of the Muslim terror that they have conducted against the builders/owners of the nations they invade.

So it does have something , a lot, in fact, to do with the thread. Certainly as relevant as any other explanation offered for the shooting. None of which are even rational.
Dude, the Australian nation was seeded by criminals and the so called dregs of scociety as perceived by the first world Brits. It would never have been established, nor been such an outstanding success, had your criteria been imposed upon it.

You’re just talking crap by saying the shooting never could have happened if it wasn’t for mass migration. How on earth do you know that??? The shooter’s all over the place psychologically. It’s giving you a grand old soapbox however. I’ve been told I should listen to you because you’re not being heard.

That’s turned out to be good advice actually, keep talking mate it’s quite revealing.
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:58 PM
 
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Humans, 'civilized' or not', are in general a rotten, primitive species, and still in the dark about what our true origins are..some believe 'God' made us, others believe we are strictly a product of evolution, there are some who even believe Extraterrestrials tampered with our precursors´s DNA to give rise to the 'modern human', or hey, maybe a combination of all the above, who really knows.

There are some circles that believe Earth is like a 'prison planet' and will remain so until humanity in general rises above its worst traits, if that is ever achieved that is.
Yes, like Australia originally
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